Champion Body Builder Roger Snipes Explores NanoVi® Technology on his Podcast for Biohackers, The Roger Snipes Show

Anyway, so the person who I am interviewing today is Rowena Gates, who is a principal at Eng3 Corporation, which is the company that has created the NanoVi device. Now, she helped launch Eng3’s NanoVi Technology and currently oversees business development and it is used for health regeneration and performance. Rowena is a serial entrepreneur. Now, prior to joining Eng3, she spent six years as founder and CEO of Aviarc Corporation, an internetbased solutions provider for international trade. Before this, she co-founded a document imaging company that merged in Image Source, back in 1995 she co-founded one of the earliest companies to offer an internet-based solution to logistics industry, which is quite profound. She is a bit of a pioneer.

Now, Rowena received her PhD from the University of Washington for her work on international strategic alliances and economic development with now helping bringing NanoVi to the world, Rowena enjoys a range of outdoor activities, family friends, and her own version of biohacking.Now, before we get started in the podcast, we have Rowena. I have to let you know that the sound quality from my end was bad, I do not know what happened. I think the microphone was not plugged in at the time. So, I have to apologize. Now, her microphone is really good, so you can hear her very clearly. So, any questions which I asked at least you can hear exactly what she is saying back. All right, cool, now I have got that out the way, let’s bring on Rowena Gates.

Roger Snipes: Do you hear me?

Rowena Gates: I hear you perfectly, tell me where you want to start?

Roger Snipes: Oh, where do I start, where do I stop. Well, first of all thank you very much for your time today. I really appreciate you being available. Now, I have been talking about the NanoVi in my stories on my social media and so many people question like what is this device? We need a bit more of an explanation. So, you know, with you being the CEO or the Vice President or the…

Rowena Gates: I am one of the two key people here and I am not the science person. I am not the technical person, so that is probably a good thing, because my story is much more understandable than my partner's.

Roger Snipes: Okay, so could you give us an insight into the NanoVi and what it is and what it does exactly?

Rowena Gates: Sure. So, first of all, it was developed by Hans Eng, my partner, and what it is is just a small device where you inhale humidified air that comes from the device and the secret is what is taking place and how that humidity is treated and inside the device, the water droplets are adjusted to a more excited or more ordered form, the state is changed, and that actually the same state that is needed by our cells in order for them to function correctly. We can get into that later. The body does it naturally to create this ordered water and so what the NanoVi device does is, it creates it inside the device and augments the body by delivering the humidity through inhalation.

Roger Snipes: Right, okay, and what happens when you inhale it, what happens with the whole protein process. So, what I understand that protein unfolds or something, so what is happening there and where does the NanoVi intervene?

Rowena Gates: Yeah, so now, we get to the body and that is the complicated part, and it is true that a lot of what is going on in the body is not even understood yet in science, so it is so complicated and so interesting. There are so many proteins, they estimate about a million, they only know about 30,000 of them. So, they have not even been identified and the proteins are not the same as the proteins you eat, but related in that, when you eat protein, you are eating amino acids and you want the right food to come into the system. Inside the body, the proteins are made up of amino acids, and though they create a long chain of amino acids and that chain has to fold into the correct shape in order for the protein to function. Now, why that is important is that the proteins are almost everything, that is your structure, the muscles are largely collagen, proteins, or contractile proteins. Most of your body is mostly made up of proteins. There are some minerals and things in there too of course, and then they are also doing everything that you do. So, when you just blinked your eyes, that is a protein activity. They store things, they transport things, they signal in order for you to respond to your environment, whether it is hot or cold or whatever, and so all the work in the body is done by the proteins, all of it. They are called the workhorse of the cell. So, you want them working well, and in order to work, they have to fold into these complicated three-dimensional structures correctly, so that they can actually do the job they need to do, and that is where the NanoVi comes in is it supports that process of protein folding, and that is all it does. After that, the body does all the amazing things it does. So, it is a very fundamental influence on the body.

Roger Snipes: What creates the actual unfolding in the first place?

Rowena Gates: Largely, that is damaged and we always hear free radicals right, and we take antioxidants to interrupt them and that is a good thing, but a lot of times, the antioxidant does not get there in time, and so the free radical damage is a cell component which could be the DNA, RNA, anything in the cell, but most likely it is the proteins, because they are all over the place in there, you know, a typical cell might have 8-10,000 proteins is just an estimate, but they do not really know that, you know, and so it is really packed in there with these proteins, they are easily damaged by free radicals or reactive oxygen species and once they are damaged, they need to be corrected. Other proteins correct them, which is if you think about that, that is pretty important, because if the proteins that are meant to fix things are themselves damaged, that is not good, you end up with a downward spiral, right, and so that is where a lot of the damage is oxidative damage, it is free radicals, oxidative stress, and we cannot avoid that, because we burn oxygen for fuel, and in order to do that, you have to have oxidative damage, it is just going to be a result of it.

Roger Snipes: So, this is any type of free radicals, like free radicals from foods that we eat, from the environment, from any kind of thing?

Rowena Gates: Yeah, absolutely, that oxidative stress damages is free radicals, it is hugely impacted by radiation, what we eat, what we put on our skin, and what we are exposed to, those are all ways to reduce that damage, which are really smart thing to do and then, yeah.

Roger Snipes: So, I am just thinking about, you mentioned radiation, that is quite an interesting one, that is a real interesting one, because you know we are at constant attack from EMR and radiation, and it is now apparent that 5G is rolling out adds to our living microwave, like where does this help, like okay, so you know this cause an obvious strain to our DNA, which can cause mutations and lead to diseases, where can the NanoVi help here, like what is going on?

Rowena Gates: Well, the DNA damage specifically, and it is interesting that one has been studied that NanoVi will reduce the double-strand DNA breaks, which is the worst kind of damage, because when both strands are broken, it is hard to fix, but that fixing the DNA is a protein function, and so it is becoming harder and harder to avoid damage, as you pointed out, and also the sun alone is a factor and you can see that in people that, you know, if one person is not in the sun and one is their whole life, their skin is different, you know. There is a damaging component, the sun has kind of got that good and bad thing that seems to happen all the time in biology, and so you want sun but not too much because you can get damaged in lots of natural ways and then on top of that we have just piled on unnatural ways to get more damage it seems. So, some things they are all different wavelengths, somethings are more harmful than others, and so it all depends on what those wavelengths are, lots of things like the radio, it does not even affect the human body, the wavelengths, that is so big that it is, you know, it is not going to influence us, but then we get in to tighter and tighter zones, all the way up to gamma radiation, which they use to kill things in the body and so you know we have a lot going on out there and there is sort of this endless need for repair.

Roger Snipes: I was thinking, so many companies claim on, you know, things which they can do, and they talk about how we can benefit the body, but the thing is there are many things which is backed by clinical research and studies, what sort of studies and clinical researches has NanoVi undergone to prove it works, its legitimacy?

Rowena Gates: There is a lot going on right now, but part that I am really most excited about was a research group that could show a pretty dramatically positive impact on protein folding, protein recovery. So, they intentionally damaged them in a variety of ways, which are all oxidative stress, but it could be radiation or heat or chemicals, and then they look at how well they recover if they are treated with a placebo versus an active device, and if they are pretreated versus post-treated. So, it is quite complex research design in the end, but the results are really dramatic. So, that is to me is just so exciting, that it could have such a huge impact on the proteins themselves. On humans, it has been studied in a double-blind placebo-controlled research, where the person was damaged. So, the idea is we want to create oxidative stress and then we want to see how well they do if they use a placebo device or if they use an active NanoVi device, and those studies showed with different measures ranging from 10% to 17% better results and that was after one session. So, that was on a human after just one session and the way that research was done was on athletes doing an all-out exercise test, where they go to exhaustion and either the doctor stops the test or the athlete stops, and the reason athletes are used is because you can stress them legally, and you cannot take your grandmother with chronic illness and use her as a test and so athletes with that they showed better immune response, faster kicking in to repair mode, and dramatically less lactate in the blood when the athlete was pretreated and then I mentioned the DNA studies as well, those are very complicated blood testing smaller studies.

Roger Snipes: What, they have shown some DNA repair afterwards?

Rowena Gates: Yes, and one was done through an Olympic Training Center in Austria, and that ranged from, the averages are not so meaningful when you have a small sample, but the range was from 16% to 34% improvement in athletes, a reduction in the double-strand DNA breaks. So, those were some of them. There have been some others done and there are some other ones that are very interesting, that you would be more interested in around, glutathione and so on. You want to improve that production of glutathione and other kind of antioxidants in the body, and that is not being released yet. There is some exciting stuff going on.

Roger Snipes: So, are you saying that with the studies, there is a link to show that this can help glutathione?

Rowena Gates: So, the question is that yes, the data shows that it is apparent, but at this point, that is just statistical significance that we want to hit that those markers, so then we proceed with caution on that data until we have a level of statistical significance.

Roger Snipes: Okay, well when that does come out, please let me know.

Rowena Gates: And then the other side of it, just really briefly, I do not get into this, this is completely my partner Hans Eng, but the device itself is tested, the output, the water is tested. So, there is a lot of testing involved in looking at the actual humidity that is coming out, and then it does have this state that is needed, this ordered water where the water molecules are packed together more tightly. So, that part is also studied, but that is not so interesting to humans, you know, because we want it to have an effect on us.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, that is not the sexy information for a lot of people. So, it creates this structured vapor, structured water vapor, and you can also drink structured water I am sure, and why would I not just drink structured water, wouldn’t that do the same thing?

Rowena Gates: Well, one of the reasons we say ordered water, and you know, is that structured water is like a big category, and we would fall under that, because the ordered water is definitely structured, but you can also structure water in lots of other ways, like with additives, like silica is added, and then the water molecules are different, they cluster and so on, and so there is lots of things you can do to water, you can put it in a blender, spin it, but they are all different from what we do, and they will not have the impact of what our device has and for some of this research, there is a lot of ongoing research also on the water, like looking at the actual water structure is fascinating, but again not the biology side of things. So, it does have a short life in what we would call bulk water, like a glass of water is bulk, and then it is just the droplets, and so it can be measured but it is a short life. So, you could not take the water from, you know, run our device into a glass of water and then ship it somewhere. It would be like temperature, it would disappear really quickly, but there are some studies that have shown that with a glass of water or bulk water, there is a measurable impact on it.

Roger Snipes: Interesting!

Rowena Gates: But you have to have your NanoVi device right there to make the water, in which case you may as well just breathe the air from the device, because the other thing is your digestive tract is really different than going in through the mucous membrane and inhalation. They are designed differently.

Roger Snipes: You mentioned a little bit earlier about athletic performance and that you have done some tests, placebo-controlled, and does it affect like power athletes and endurance athletes, does it affect both of them? If so, how?

Rowena Gates: It is really interesting, and in fact we have an article, I will get to you at some point written on this, because as those two come together at a point, and I cannot give you all the science of that, and it would be boring anyway, but I think the easiest explanation is that they may cause damage in different ways, but both those athletes have a higher than normal need for repair, all athletes do, because they are metabolizing more oxygen, they are doing more with their bodies. They also will have a higher capacity for repair, because they are more fit, you know, in better health in general usually, but it is so critical for performance to repair quickly, keep everything working well, because otherwise they will see the decline in performance before long, and there is so many athletes that are recognized all around, you know, these guys are all dying early or they are wreck, you know they cannot do stuff at an older age, you do not want that, you know. You got to keep up with the damage.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, exactly. So, I do not know whether you have been able to check, have you been able to compare which athlete has more ROS happening in the body?

Rowena Gates: You know that research might be done. We have not done it. I know that endurance athletes have a real issue there even when you are doing powerlifts or something, those brakes give your body a chance to repair, but when you get into the ultra-athletes and so on, they are not giving their bodies any real break, and so I would guess that, that is not recommended, and they are definitely metabolizing a lot more oxygen. So, you also have to have a much higher capacity to repair oxidative damage or you will go downhill.

Roger Snipes: Also, just curious to see which one of the NanoVi device would have to work out more on, and just which one creates more damage to themselves, like when they have been over exerting themselves, and which one would need more time to repair?

Rowena Gates: Well, you might be interested in Andre Rossouw, is he did a DECA ultramarathon, which is an ultramarathon of an Ironman distance and the DECA is 10 days in a row, and it is like okay that does not seem like a very good idea, but then he used the NanoVi every night and he could definitely tell, he does other extreme events, and so you can tell the difference for sure.

Roger Snipes: We got the NanoVi over here, see it?

Rowena Gates: And now it is draped. I like what you have done.

Roger Snipes: That is terrible, oh my God.

Rowena Gates: I think that I am going to be able to guess who is the interior designer in the family.

Roger Snipes: So, yeah this is here. I have shown a few people on my Instagram, and they were asking like if it was a fax machine, I do not know, some sort of medical device. It does look a bit medical orientated, and obviously during the evening time, I will switch this over to red to get the melatonin kicking in and stuff. Yeah, it is pretty cool though. It is pretty cool. For the future, do you think you might be or I do not know, Hans or whoever the people who pieced this together, do you think there might be a smaller version to travel with possibly. I mean it is a big bit of kit and you know I have traveled quite a lot and I have thought about “Ah, ha, wish I could bring this along,” but it probably takes up quite a lot of space. Now, some people might do that, yeah is there any future designs or is this it?

Rowena Gates: It is a possibility for the future, it is a very big deal to change it with all the compliance and all of that. So, it is not on the drawing board right now, we have a lot of professional athletes that do travel with it, but of course, they do, but they have got private jet or whatever, but there is other people that do, it goes as a carry-on or you can check it as check luggage, but it is definitely, as you said, a big kit to take along, and yeah I would love it, I would love that, and I have whole sports teams that would have them if they could use it on the plane, but right now we are just trying to keep the cost as low as possible, and you know kind of get them out there, and that would definitely be the next generation, it will never be tiny. There is a lot of stuff going on inside there, that is not going to be miniaturized.

Roger Snipes: Maybe, there could be, I do not know, a lesser output, just like when you have got the small red-light therapy devices, it is kind of the same thing on a smaller level, but at least you can travel with it? Might have to use it for a longer period of time to get the same results, but you know, it is better than nothing.

Rowena Gates: You know, I wish we did and it would be a wonderful thing. It is just not a simple thing to do. So, I would not just look for it really soon.

Roger Snipes: Okay, so you are a biohacker, you have lots of equipment, you are pretty wellequipped in terms of all the different devices. You have a photo-biomodulation device, molecular hydrogen generator, and PEMF mats, and all that great stuff, and you sleep like a bear. So, you know your deep sleep is like super high, how would you fit a NanoVi between all of this, like you know, you pretty much think, you know, I have got everything, why would I get a NanoVi?

Rowena: Well, it will make everything better since you have already invested all that money and upgrade all those devices, that is brilliant, that is money well spent, and then while you are doing the PEMF or the red light, so it is really common that they are doing it in conjunction with PEMF and those big pulse centers and those big centers that do PEMF, add the NanoVi because they get better outcomes, because they are like a hand and glove, they complement each other really well.

Roger Snipes: Hi guys, I just want to take a little time out from the show just to tell you about the sponsors of today which is Eng3 Corp, who I am actually speaking to right now. So, Eng3 are the inventors of the NanoVi, a special device that augments a signal that is naturally generated by the body and is essential for cellular activity. It is used by people by all walks of life. I myself use it to eliminate free radicals, also for prevention of oxidative stress, and one of the great benefits of the NanoVi is that it can be used to build athletic performance and recovery. Since using it, since I think August 2019, I have probably been at the top of my fitness game, and I do not recall having one single sickness, obviously I do other things, but this as one of my key biohacks is definitely a staple to my fitness, and if you would like to train with less lactic acid, improve your heart rate variability and build a stronger immune system, then the NanoVi has you covered. Now, for more information, all you need to do is check out eng3corp.com/snipes. So, that website link again is eng3corp.com/snipes. Okay, what about young people, can young people use it, like I do not know, children, is it of a certain age where you, what is the age limit on that or minimum?

Rowena Gates: We have had newborns on it. I mean we did not personally, but people did that, some remarkable cases. A child should not need it, right? But if there is something wrong, then it may be helpful to them, but most children have a lot of cell energy production, you know, they are just really optimized little machines. [34:29] functions, all those things that as adults we are kind of interested in increasing, they are high in children. So, it is only if there is something that is not working well in a child, but we have a lot of people that the children will use it as they settle down in the evening with it or something, and it is just their preference, they like to use it. Now, whether or not it is having a big impact on a kid or not, I do not know. They do not have so much need for repair as we do.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, should not think so. Yeah, they just repair super quick. Well, what about older people, obviously they are probably needed, but is there an age where it might be too much for them, would it be overwhelming for the body?

Rowena Gates: It is not really an age, but there are some age-related issues, that can come up if they have a lot of toxicity, then they need to start slowly, because it will help the body do what the body needs to do, and if the body needs to detox, then it can happen too fast and be uncomfortable, and so yeah people that are carrying a lot of toxicity just start slower and build up, and then with anybody, that is a good idea to build up, especially somebody that is older or sensitive, then that is the safe way to do it, but anybody can use it, and we have a 102 as our oldest customer. Yeah, her boyfriend helped her buy it, because your hearing is not that good, so he called them.

Roger Snipes: Oh, well, and how long has she been using it for?

Rowena Gates: She is on it about a year now.

Roger Snipes: Okay, let us see how long she can live for with this. Are you allowed to sleep with it, like up in your nostrils, would it be alright to sleep with?

Rowena Gates: That would be off-label. People do it, but you know, off-labelled use of it and it is a way to get a lot more time in, which is why they do it. They can put on for an hour, two, or whatever they want and get extra time.

Roger Snipes: I mean, you say an hour or two, I thought that was standard. I know that like this is supposed to be 15 minutes, but I am not going lie, there are times I am by my laptop and I have that up my nostrils for about a couple of hours quite easily.

Rowena Gates: I do the same thing, and they are powerful device, but yeah and some people will run it all night. So, it is something that, but when you are sleeping, people turnover and stuff can get in the way, the cannula.

Roger Snipes: Oh, yeah. Is there another thing, what do you call it like a nebulizer, can you attach that to this at all, put it over your face completely, or is it not suitable or does it not fit properly?

Rowena Gates: There are masks that could be used, but for us, the masks are usually designed for something like oxygen. So, it does not matter if there is a valve there, but with our device, it matters, because that valve will interrupt the water droplets, and we do not want anything interfering with those droplets, so it really depends on the design of the mask.

Roger Snipes: Okay. What about people who want to lose weight, would this work at all, or is like “na…, the same for you, just stop using so much crap”?

Rowena Gates: I have got so many testimonials of people that just shed their weight, and it is like amazing, but from a weight-loss perspective, it is really helping something else in the body that is a little off, it could be toxicity. If you carry toxicity, you need the fat to store it. If you get rid of the toxicity, then the fat can let go, but while you have got toxicity, that fat may be protecting you, and so there is things like that or just a lot of it is hormonal, and one thing is always the case is you give the body a chance to regenerate and repair, and it will come back into balance, and that can be a hormone balance. It is easy to measure, is easy to manage of that, and so if your weight is because things are a little off, then it definitely is going to help those people come back into balance, and then it is much, you know, the way it may just shed itself or it is much easier to lose weight.

Roger Snipes: So, there has not been any links with the studies that it helps with hormonal balance at all?

Rowena Gates: Those have not been studied, that is not been studied. I do not know what I should say, one place that people measure it really easily is that with the hormone called insulin, and I would say also that our company has a long history of helping people with chronic disorders, and so that is really the origin of the company was chronic disorders, and then in the last five years or so, it has been more people wanting wellness, healthy aging, and athletes, it has really been a shift almost of people recognizing this, you know. You do not have to have a disease to benefit from faster repair and regeneration.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, yeah, that is so true. I mean as one of the reasons why I kind of stumbled onto the whole biohacking thing and even the NanoVi itself, it is like I am not trying to wait to be sick, like I want to feel amazing, I want to wake up and feel amazing, and it is been so long since I have been sick. I think the only thing that sometimes gets me is the hay fever, like you know just get the sniffles in that, but other than that, man I feel superhuman a lot of time. I use this every day, every day.

Rowena Gates: I think a lot of us would say, you are kind of superhuman. I use it every day too, the very same thing, you have a better situation in the UK, but here you just do not want to be, you cannot afford to be sick. I mean even wealthy people cannot afford to be really sick very often in the U.S. It is not a good situation, and so I think a huge number of people are looking at it and saying wait a minute, I need to prevent being old and sick, that is not a good thing.

Roger Snipes: I know that they say you cannot out train a bad diet, but let us say, you know, you were talking about U.S., you cannot afford to be sick, I was just thinking about the diet there in the U.S., it is atrocious.

Rowena Gates: Not all of us.

Roger Snipes: Not all, not all, yeah, yeah, I understand that, but you know I am just here, I remember the first time I visited the US, and I went into the supermarket and I wanted to buy some food and there was just so many synthetic ingredients when I was checking the ingredients on the back of lots of labels, and I was like, but they sell this in UK, and I do not recognize these ingredients from UK, and then you know later on I started to learn that it is pretty typical, like in the U.S., they sometimes add some extra flavorings and colors and that sort of thing. So, let us say, you cannot escape from a terrible diet, all these synthetic stuffs, but you have a NanoVi, can that help?

Rowena Gates: Well one thing is the biggest thing that a bad diet creates in in my humble opinion is inflammation, a lot of these things are inflammatory, all the chemicals, the bad fats, fracked oils and fats, and I think maybe also, I do not know about the sugars, but we have a loaded diet for sugars here in the US, and so definitely inflammation is, it is a natural process that you need if you are trying to heal a wound or something, but chronic inflammation is a huge way to degrade health, and it underlies a lot of really serious conditions, and so keeping the inflammation in check to repair regeneration is absolutely huge, and so it is not really directly diet related, but it is going to help the body cope with whatever you throw at it and ideally do not.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, of course right. You know, sometimes I think to myself, there is days when I just want to eat, I am just going to be straight, I just want to eat some shit food, you know, I just want to eat something that is going make me smile temporarily, and then make me crash off the woods, but I just want to get that happy feeling from some crap food, it could be a pizza or it could be a cake or some ice cream. I know it is going to cause some problems down the line, but I just want that moment of happiness, and always think to myself, alright what is my mitigation measures, like what am I going to do to try to deflect some of the damage, which is happening here and some of the garbage food that I am eating, and yeah, NanoVi is one of the things I reach from, okay I had some crap, all right let me have maybe some activated charcoal or I do not know, maybe some chlorella or something like that, you know some kind of binder, but yeah like that is the reason I wanted to ask you really, would this kind of help to reduce any kind of damage, you know?

Rowena Gates: Well, some things like if you eat a piece of cake, I do not see those as being as long as they are not often or lots or whatever, I think those are things, you know, that are going to have a big long-term impact, but I can eat a piece of cake. I mean that sounds really good occasionally, something for dinner, and then if you just go for a walk afterwards, just move a bit, you know because you have got a bunch of sugars, you can burn those off really quickly. So, that is more effective than NanoVi for the cakes. The other things, the chemicals that whatever might be in whatever, then it is going to help support the body to sort of deal with those things, but you are already, I think you have such a good diet and you are paying so much attention, you know.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, that is my main focus, like I always think to myself when I am shopping, I visualize what is going to be on my plate, how colorful it is going to be, and you know, differentspectrum of minerals and vitamins, and if certain things are going to be harder to digest, I think all right what digestive enzymes do I have, or if I am going to get a cake, then I will be like alright I need to get a certain enzyme to digest that quickly and even if I have just a lot of garbage, if I am not going to eat, like it is going to be a toxic day then I will even have something to help with.

Rowena Gates: I will just help fix the damage after it occurs.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, normally I have something which is like a cleanse, because I think to myself, all right I do not know where I have arrived. I have got any parasites in me now after eating that. I know it is crazy, crazy.

Rowena Gates: Okay, I want to talk about one more topic, okay, because it is sort of that mood or how stressed and so on, which you can create stress around things like diet and exercise and so on, right? And that is an area where the NanoVi can help with that where it is another thing that is been studied and shown to balance the autonomic nervous system for most of us that means come out of fight-or-flight, go into rest and digest and calm down, and I think that is why some kids like to use it at night for example, but that is a rebalancing of the body, again the body comes back into balance, it comes out of the stress mode, and that is really, really important and really helpful, and so first of all, do not get too stressed.

Roger Snipes: I do not get stressed about it, but I just feel like, I just want to be, I just want to signify health. I want everything about me to be health, you know. Rowena Gates: I think you seem very smart about it actually, and it makes me feel like, “oh,” I mean I am good at some things, but maybe I should not, you know, have that whole flour crust pizza.

Roger Snipes: What else I was going to say? So, I spoke about the young people, old people,what are the benefits would you say are good about the NanoVi, do you think there is anything else worth adding? You did you touch up on the idea behind it, it was mainly to help like maybe critically ill or people like with diseases or sicknesses, is that right?

Rowena Gates: Well, yeah, all the chronic disorders are a matter of too much damage and not enough repair, and so that was our early market, it was every one of those, we have over 50 chronic diseases that I made a list of them, that our device has been used for, but that is just like if you go down that path where you are not keeping up, you are not preventing the damage and repairing damage as you go, that chronic disorder is sort of what is lurking at the other end. It is, you know, they are also called age-related diseases for a reason, it is like it builds up over a long time, and then it manifests as an age-related or chronic disease, and so that is what we want to avoid.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, but it is almost like those things, it might be abbreviated as an age-related disease when it is probably just an accumulation of lots of bad stuff, a lot of the time. There is a doctor or a scientist, something Sinclair, I am sure you have probably heard of him, is it David Sinclair, some Sinclair, who is like… Where is that book, I got an audio book, something Sinclair that you might have known. He specializes in anti-aging and I think he believes that we do not actually need to age but there is no logical reason as to why we have to age, so he believes that if we switch off certain things which is causing inflammation and these degenerative diseases and all these things which is kind of speeding up the clock of aging, if we was to know how to deal with all of that, then we do not have to age.

Rowena Gates: Well, I have never seen that but I sort of agree in that the body is like powerfully regenerative and there isthis big turnover in cells and so it can rebuild itself and the fundamental structure with the DNA as the blueprint, the RNA blueprint for proteins, that is what your DNA is, it is the blueprint for the proteins. RNA makes it as transcribed and so on into these individual proteins but all of that machinery, pieces can get swapped out. There is replacement parts, the proteins can build, they can identify oh that is broken, switch it out, junk that piece or recycle it, reuse the amino acids and the body does all those things and if it's really badly damaged just like autophagy, kills the cell or get it out of there or reuse the parts, the recycling center, and so when you look at how all of that works, it seems like it could be a perpetual machine but then there are so many things that interfere and create that damage so that it gunk up the works and that basically how gunked-up that is, is our longevity.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, you mentioned autophagy, would you say that intermittent fasting would complement this or vice versa?

Rowena Gates: It definitely with the NanoVi, any of those practices in addition to devices that we have right but the practices as well the same follows that it is supporting the body itself and if you are doing intermittent fasting, cold showers, those kinds of things, then absolutely it's just going to support the overall body but it is not going to be like a big difference that you would notice if you are doing intermittent fasting and then you stop using the NanoVi, you are probably not going to notice a decline in your intermittent fasting, you might notice that it takes you more time to recover after you have worked out, that is very unlikely that you would notice that because you are tuned in and you know how long it normally takes and so for any athlete it is really easy to see that impact but with fasting, that might be a little harder, so many different factors that come into play, you might not notice it.

Roger Snipes: I am just wondering whether it will kill the hunger like…

Rowena Gates: On, no, I do not think so but you will breakfast at like 4:00 in the afternoon, right?

Roger Snipes: Normally yeah, at 4:00 o'clock, that is right.

Rowena Gates: And so that is a long fast unless you are up eating at midnight or something but I am assuming not.

Roger Snipes: No, I normally try and shut off by about 7:00, sometimes it goes to 8:00 but between 7:00 and 8:00.

Rowena Gates: So, you are a much longer intermittent fast and most of us, like most of us are 16 to 18 hours but why are we not surprised?

Roger Snipes: Yeah, I am always trying to push the boundaries.

Rowena Gates: You are an over achiever.

Roger Snipes: It is weird like I am always thinking to myself okay how can I make this harder, like what is possible, I am always thinking about that, not just to put myself in pain but I am thinking what is achievable, what else has been done, this cannot be the hardest, so that is how I have always been in terms of fitness, you know trying to push the boundaries. So, you have got three different NanoVi devices, is that right?

Rowena Gates: Yeah.

Roger Snipes: Okay, so they are very different in terms of pricing, would you be able to walk me through it the different ones and maybe we can cover the price with that, how does that sound?

Rowena Gates: Sure, the least powerful one is the one that the equivalent would be a one-hour session, whereas the one you have is a 15-minute session and that is really the big difference is, how powerful they are. The one-hour session if you try to use it the equivalent of what you and I use the whole day would be really hard to get that many hours in and so that one in price is a little over 5000 dollars is where it comes in on the price and then the next size is in between it, so it is a great, the smallest device it works great if that is the one that you can best afford. If possible, try to get the middle one because that is twice as powerful and it makes a difference. It is kind of noticeable and in some cases the pro gets the job done and the eco does not just because the person cannot get over some threshold or something and so for almost everybody, it is only a matter of time but for some people they just really need a more powerful device if they are really challenged.

Roger Snipes: Right, so what sort of person would you say, people who has got chronic illness or like older people, sports professionals, those kinds of people?

Rowena Gates: All the sports professionals get the Exo device which is the one you have, it is like you, it is like well I do not just do 15 minutes, I still do an hour but I want that high output for the hour and then the Pro device, a lot of home users will get that, I am surprised at how many home users get the most powerful device, sometimes it amazes me, and just so you know that the most expensive one is a little less than $14,000, so it is a high 13,000. That is why it is like “Wow, people buy that in shopping cart for home use, you know,” and then there is the middle one and it is about 8500 is the cost and it's a half hour typical session or the equivalent session is a half hour and that one is called the pro device.

Roger Snipes: Alright, so the first one is called what?

Rowena Gates: The Eco.

Roger Snipes: Eco, and why is it called that, what ecofriendly kind of?

Rowena Gates: Economical, smaller and then Pro used to be our biggest device and then we had a person with a traumatic brain injury who said I will pay you the money to make a more power device, I need something more powerful and so he did and then we thought well we should sell this device and then we ultimately put it on the market and it's last year it was the device we sold the most.

Roger Snipes: Amazing.

Rowena Gates: It is, I found that quite remarkable because we were like we may as well offer it and so that is the story but the ECO and Professional models were the two but then the PRO became a middle child.

Roger Snipes: Amazing, so that might not fit a lot of people's budget, you are going to have certain types of people that will probably just buy it straightaway, are there any financial like when you get a higher purchase agreement, is there like a finance agreement things that you guys do that all.

Rowena Gates: So, in the US, the equipment can be leased, so we do what we can, if it is like splitting the payment or something, we will do what we can. The other thing is which we would really like to see is that they are in every corner, in every gym and in centers where people can access them and there are quite a lot of them out there in the US where you can go and use the device at a clinician’s office or a center of some type. Where we do not have a lot is where they are really public access like in gyms which would be nice to have because if it were even part of your gym membership or something and you go to the gym several times a week, that would be a nice way to go and we really want to get them into companies because many people could share one device in a company and really and in everybody's interest, the employee and the employer to stay healthy and feeling good and sharp because mental clarity is a big factor. I just talked to Jim Kwik on Friday; he is such a nice guy.

Roger Snipes: What, did you say you spoke to him?

Rowena Gates: Yeah, I was speaking to him Friday and I did not almost do not want to hang up the phone, he is such a terrific person and another plug for his book Limitless, it is a fantastic book on mental performance.

Roger Snipes: I have got it as well, where is it, I do have the book.

Rowena Gates: So, anyway for mental performance, it is a great thing, so in a company it makes perfect sense, these guys are hungover or jet-lagged or both and to stay sharp, feeling good, that is a productivity issue. Someday, we want to be in every company if people are actually in companies again.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, I know right, hopefully at some point soon. I was in a car park earlier today and I saw lots of spaces taken up fit like all the cars were in parking spaces and I was like “Wow!” The town is busy which is cool.

Rowena Gates: Oh, wow! we are not like that yet here in Seattle.

Roger Snipes: Right, okay. I do not know much about Seattle but I will assume is.

Rowena Gates: Well the US has not done the best job of keeping everybody safe I would say, I hope that is not too political but…

Roger Snipes: Yeah, so where can people find information about Eng3Corp and the NanoVi devices, more technical stuff if they wanted to read up on it as well, where could they find.

Rowena Gates: You got it, Eng3corp.com is the best URL and then maybe do you have something you could post or put in your show notes with the link.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, I can put something in the show notes, absolutely.

Rowena Gates: Yeah, so we will have that so it will link to a page that is more directly related to biohackers and the kind of audience you have, so that they have got a video that shows how and what is really going on and how the proteins are folding and stuff.

Roger Snipes: Yes, definitely. That is awesome, and you guys have got an Instagram page as well right?

Rowena Gates: Yes.

Roger Snipes: And was is that Instagram/eng3corp or Eng3 or NanoVi, I cannot remember to be honest?

Rowena Gates: Eng3Corp, I knew that.

Roger Snipes: Alright, I will put those in the notes anyway.

Rowena Gates: Okay, that sounds great and we will go from there, just anybody call any time, I am happy to answer questions, get information out. If you login at a forum on our site, you only get good information like study results, we do not spam people, we do not send just marketing stuff out, we only send something that is meaningful.

Roger Snipes: That is great because there are some companies that you subscribe and they just bombard you and it's like “oh man, it was so good at the beginning but now it's not going to work.”

Rowena Gates: I know, you go through your spam filter and I was like I got 40 emails in two days or something, that is just not a good idea, you know we do every month or two probably but it is always when it's newsworthy, like the podcast for example.

Roger Snipes: Exactly. Are you guys going to be at the health optimization summit this year if it happens?

Rowena Gates: No, sorry. When is it going to be, September?

Roger Snipes: I believe so, September around the 15th probably, I can’t really…

Rowena Gates: So, it is still on, that is good, that is great.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, so far, like that is the plan. There has been a lot of posts on social media about it, to talk about it, to say who the speakers are going to be, so they feel strongly, it is definitely happening.

Rowena Gates: Oh, I hope it works out, I mean Tim did such a great job last year to bring everybody together to make the whole thing happen. Once you have done all that, the second year is supposed to be easier and then it sorts of got harder, I think.

Roger Snipes: Yeah, no doubt. So, where are you guys going to be next, you are not going to be at this summit, are you going to be at any other kind of biohacking…

Rowena Gates: The bulletproof one, but now it is moved to next year and I am speaking at that one and then we do not have others for this year, I did not sign up on any of them. We were kind of thinking it would not be the best approach, I might attend but we would not be exhibiting, so it is really the biohacking one at Upgrade Labs and then also on our site there is a locator, if people want to find a place to go try it out, it might be possible to find it in their neighborhood, especially if they are in the U.S. If you are in the UK, it is not going to work, sorry.

Roger Snipes: We do not have any like practitioners that are kind of waving the flag of NanoVi over here I am assuming, right?

Rowena Gates: No, we really have not got things rolling in England or the UK, does it offend you if I say England?

Roger Snipes: No, not at all. Many of my friends say England, I just say UK.

Rowena Gates: Okay, good. If you were in Scotland, I might be in trouble but…

Roger Snipes: Alright, so it has been absolutely fantastic. I have learnt so much and I think a lot of people have learnt a lot about the NanoVi, so thank you very much for your time today, I really appreciate it.

Rowena Gates: It is so good to see, hello and goodbye and thanks for having me on here.

Roger Snipes: Thank you very much, god bless.

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