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Super excited for today’s guest – I’ve been following their tech for a while; I’ve started using it. I think this is super important to all of us out there.
Rowena Gates is a principal at Eng3 Corporation. She has helped launch NanoVI technology and currently oversees businesses development for the use in health, wellness and performance.
She has been a serial entrepreneur since 1995, when she co-founded one of the earliest companies to the logistics industry. Rowena has received her PhD from the University of Washington for her work in international strategic alliances and regional economic development.
While her collaborative approach remains her focus, she has shifted from the economic wellbeing of regions to the health and Wellness of individuals like you.
00:01:18 Rowena Gates
Hey, it’s a pleasure to be here, Josh.
00:01:20 Josh Felber
For sure, excited to have you on the show and be able to just understand what you guys are doing from a health standpoint, how this is helping people. So, give us a little bit of background how the company got started, and then we’ll kind of go from there.
00:01:38 Rowena Gates
Sure, so the company was started a number of years ago. The initial person, my partner, is Hans Eng and he’s a German engineer living in Seattle. It was essentially that recognition of a new way, an innovative way to initiate repair and regeneration in the body.
00:01:59 Josh Felber
OK.
00:02:00 Rowena Gates
Yeah, and so he’s developed it throughout the late 2000s and patented it and we started delivering the technology around 2011, so it’s been there a while.
00:02:19 Josh Felber
Yeah, I know it sounds like it’s been out for a little while in the form. So just from my understanding, based on a little bit that I briefly know on the technology – and when I got the device I was explaining and showing the kids on the chart from the book we read and the oxidative stress and everything, and eating and how processed food affects the whole cycle and all of that, so maybe you can give us a little more insight than my simple explanation?
00:02:46 Rowena Gates
Sure, there’s two sides. One is the oxidative damage that’s caused by things like bad food and lots of other environmental factors, toxins, and then the other side is the ability of the system to rebalance itself metabolically, to kind of figure itself out and come back into some kind of a balance that’s going to work well.
It’s constantly doing that, and so those are all protein functions that repair of the damage from oxidative stress and anything systems doing to come back into balance. All that work is done by proteins.
00:03:23 Rowena Gates
And proteins are what we address and just in case people aren’t familiar with it, the proteins are the workhorses in the cells, they literally do everything. So, we address those proteins by helping them fold better, and it turns out proteins have to fold into a 3D structure before they can work. Our technology adjusts the cellular water in a way that creates a better environment for the proteins to do their folding. Essentially when they fold, they get their energy from the water and what we’re doing is upping that energy level or order in the water so the proteins can draw on it.
And so, by that, with the metabolic side of things, the body knows what to do. We’re not overriding anything, directing it, inserting it – the body knows what to do. It’s just giving it a little bit better ability to do whatever those tasks are, including repairing damage and all the work it does.
00:04:31 Josh Felber
Gotcha, OK, so anything like kinda throughout what would happen in life, whether you’re working out -that’s oxidative stress. Whether you’re flying in an airplane, you get all that oxidative stress from that, whether eating bad, those kind of things, and so that’s damaging ourselves and our DNA and different things like that and so then what you guys are doing with this system is then it’s creating additional folds in the protein that’ll then help the repair cycle work more efficiently.
00:05:05 Rowena Gates
Yes. Those proteins have to fold and be stable to do their job, and so we’re just helping with that part of it.
00:05:13 Josh Felber
How does that help us from like a performance standpoint? I mean I do martial arts a lot, I work out and do kind of things that we are talking pre call and stuff and you mention and I think you have like different sports teams and things that are utilizing some of this technology now.
00:05:36 Rowena Gates
Yeah, we have a lot of athletes – not generally teams. The athletes in the various sports.
00:05:42 Josh Felber
On the different teams.
00:05:43 Rowena Gates
Yeah, they just get their own and use it regularly after whatever they’ve done to themselves.
00:05:51 Josh Felber
Tell us how from a performance standpoint it’s helping us, I guess from an athletic standpoint. What is it doing? How’s it helping? What kind of benefits should I look for from utilizing this?
00:06:07 Rowena Gates
Sure, so first of all, the athletes are doing more oxidative damage because they are burning more oxygen. However, it only is a problem – which is oxidative stress – if it exceeds your body’s ability to repair it. So, athletes use our device to amp up their bodies ability to address the oxidation, and then they can recover faster, regenerate and increase their training cycles, feel better and perform better. From a performance standpoint I kind of like to go to where we have rock-solid, placebo-controlled blinded studies because then it’s like OK, this isn’t just me saying “I feel great!”
One thing that an athlete can look for and that we’ve shown is a reduction in lactate if it’s used prior to exertion. So, for sports where lactate is an issue or activities where it’s an issue, then that can be helpful to an athlete and it’s noticeable in their performance and also in their recovery later because they don’t have that build up.
00:07:20 Josh Felber
So, the lactate is were kind of where we feel that muscle burning and everything, right?
00:07:24 Rowena Gates
Yeah, and that that reduction was a 17% reduction, so it was really a great deal.
00:07:34 Josh Felber
It’s huge.
00:07:35 Rowena Gates
Yeah, and so that’s one and then the other is basically your resilience, your immune response, we can show that that improves in athletes because they bounce back faster and you want your immune system kicking in – you want inflammation in the short term, not in the long term.
00:07:56 Rowena Gates
We can look at those markers and see that they improve. Those are generally 10 to 17% improvement in how fast you’re kicking in. Again, those are both on single sessions so you want to use it regularly.
00:08:14 Josh Felber
Yeah, so using it regularly…they say you know from an athletic standpoint then are we using it before we would go workout? After? Both times?
00:08:24 Rowena Gates
We’ve looked at the damaged proteins and they tell us that the proteins recover faster after they’ve been intentionally damaged. In some cases, when you treat before and in some cases when you treat after. It’s kind of compelling to do both if that’s possible.
00:08:43 Josh Felber
Right.
00:08:44 Rowena Gates
But the most dramatic ones are treating after. That’s where it shows up most commonly. There’s a lot of testing done here, different proteins, different types of damage.
00:08:59 Rowena Gates
And so if you had to choose, you’d pick after, but ideally you don’t have to choose.
00:09:05 Josh Felber
Right. Before and after is also good? So obviously, reducing lactate so that allow us to perform harder or longer as well as than the recovery process as well and then is that helping with oxygen uptake, like your vO2 max? Does that factor into any of that with this?
00:09:28 Rowena Gates
Yeah, absolutely. That’s testing I don’t have studies on, but you can see it with blood oxygen saturation, obviously only if somebody is low, but it’s really just a utilization issue and so that’s why we talked about hyperbarics earlier, but that’s why it’s such a good combination because you want the better utilization of the oxygen.
00:09:50 Josh Felber
Right, that’s one of the things we were talking a little bit offline was when I would do 20 sessions of hyperbaric and so we were talking about if I before, or I’m sorry after it, to improve the effectiveness like you just mentioned of the oxygen in saturation in the body and everything.
00:10:11 Rowena Gates
Yeah, you want to get the most out of it and then also reduce any damage from having extra oxygen in the system so it’s sort of a double win.
00:12:29 Josh Felber
From an athletic standpoint, so say, we’ve got some of our entrepreneurs are watching. They may not be athletic, they run their business and spend time with their family and do those kinds of things. What other optimal situations does this help us with from a performance, overall immunity and health?
00:12:53 Rowena Gates
Well, all of us entrepreneurs are focusing, concentrating, and that’s equivalent to running the marathon with your brain instead of your legs. You’re doing the same oxidative damage.
It’s interesting, I just didn’t interview with Jim Quick on this, but it’s like, of course, and their symptoms are things like decision fatigue, brain fog. You can notice these things when you’ve overstressed your brain. It’s exactly the same situation only you really want to make sure that you take care of your brain.
00:13:28 Josh Felber
Right.
00:13:28 Rowena Gates
And so, it’s the same thing. You want to get rid of the oxidation, get things working better keep yourself alert and feeling good, and certainly not have any buildup of issues in your brain. That can be shown on a qEEG where they can scan the brain and you can see before and after with one session even of the extent.
00:13:54 Josh Felber
Oh wow!
00:13:56 Rowena Gates
Yeah, you can eliminate that inappropriate brain activity, which is that kind of that brain chatter that makes it so it’s hard to concentrate.
00:14:05 Josh Felber
Sure, and so when we are using this, when do we start to see benefits? Is it one session? Have you got to use it for 60, 90 days? And then what is kind of like the optimal time frame to really start to get the results?
00:14:23 Rowena Gates
Almost all our testing is one time, so one time definitely helps, the question is do you notice it? Whether or not you notice it is like how tuned in you are, how healthy or unhealthy you are, and how stressed you are at the point of time. Most performance athletes will notice it with one time, because they know how bad they feel or how good they feel, and how long it takes to feel that way.
From executives and people that are really pushing it, especially jet lag and things like that, they can notice better sleep often is one of the first things, or a feeling of calm where they settle down, and so that can also be in one session. But the benefit really is to do it on a regular basis then you’re covering both before and after. If you’re doing it every day, then it has legs so it doesn’t matter when you exert yourself, you don’t have to do it right beforehand. Ideally, you’re using it long term, but if you just do it once, it’s still going to have that benefit for the body whether or not you notice it.
00:15:40 Josh Felber
So, from a long-term standpoint then – I know because you guys have a lot of data and things like that. What are the overall effects and benefits and things you know people have been using it for several years, from a long-term standpoint?
00:15:58 Rowena Gates
The biggest thing there is resilience.
00:16:01 Josh Felber
OK.
00:16:02 Rowena Gates
That they can notice that and most of us don’t notice if you don’t use it for one day, it’s not like you’re addicted or anything but depending on the age of the person, then they might notice some of these old issues coming back after not using it for a few weeks. But the biggest is that balancing of the autonomic nervous system, which is that feeling of calm and destressing is probably the biggest one and that’s really helpful in the long term, especially for entrepreneurs and executives.
00:16:35 Josh Felber
Cool, that’s amazing! I remember I was reading through some of the information, especially with everything over the last year and everything from boosting immune performance and stuff, are we seeing an improvement there as well to help keep us safer when we’re out there and healthier?
00:17:01 Rowena Gates
Yeah, we haven’t actually studied the innate immune system, but our study of when athletes were challenged, that kind of reflects the body having some kind of a challenge in front of it, and so that does definitely suggest that it’s going to help. It’s helping the immune system.
00:17:22 Rowena Gates
So, we don’t really relate it to anything else specifically, however, over the last few years, we’ve had really great results with people being very appreciative of having the device.
00:17:37 Josh Felber
And I mean, I know just from my personal experience using it and everything just noticing, I mean for me I’ve noticed a just quicker return, like being able to recover faster from a longer, harder work out, it’s been a big thing for me and just more general overall, I guess energy – even though my energy is pretty normally high anyways – but just better overall an energy standpoint throughout the day and everything is kind of a couple of the big things that I’ve noticed.
00:18:11 Rowena Gates
Right, and a lot of people get a lull and so that can be a great time to do a session if they’re not holding their energy throughout the whole day. You see that with fatigue and, yeah, just amp up the protein functions a little!
00:18:28 Josh Felber
Cool! So guys, really pay attention to what we’ve been talking about today, understanding how to put your body in an optimal state so you can be better at doing what you do for your business, better for your family or from an athletic standpoint. Are you performing the best level that you can be? With so much different stuff happening through oxidative stress and damage from the processed foods and all that crap out there that’s around us all the time, creating damage to our cellular level and everything. This is giving you something that’s going to actually help boost the repair, boost the recovery, put you in a better position to be healthier to yourself as well as give you that resilience and that performance to just be the leader that you are and perform at the levels that you’re supposed to be.
I know we got a couple minutes left, what’s one last thing you’re like, “Oh man, I was hoping Josh was going to ask me this, but he hadn’t asked that yet and I really want to kind of dive in and go down that path for a few minutes.”
00:19:38 Rowena Gates
He should have asked me about using it in a company because it’s a great tool for the whole company. When we were in our shared office, we would have it on a cart and just roll it around between employees.
00:19:47 Josh Felber
Oh wow!
00:19:54 Rowena Gates
The reason I’m mentioning this is I’m kind of passionate about it. My Making Bank – the bank is how many people can you help? And not everybody can afford this thing, right? But if you can share it at a gym or a workplace, then you can treat a lot of people in one day and that’s a great thing. With any of the people who have challenges like chronic illnesses or they are just want to stay sharp and perform well, then it’s great tool.
So, one of my goals is to get more corporate wellness, more use in companies and if you have entrepreneurs out there, so guys, this is a this is a good way to go.
00:20:38 Josh Felber
No, that makes awesome sense because if they have it in their facility and the treatments, we didn’t even talk about they take anywhere from like 15 minutes to 60 minutes kind of range. Is that based on which device you get?
00:20:52 Rowena Gates
Yeah, and usually it’s maybe 20 minutes, half an hour and that’s going to be a decent tune up, if you’ve got more time, that’s great, but you don’t have to spend a huge amount of time and you don’t have to stop working to do it.
00:21:05 Josh Felber
OK.
00:21:05 Rowena Gates
You just use it at your desk.
00:21:08 Rowena Gates
It’s pretty easy to use that way. It’s pretty easy to share, and so that’s my goal is to get more sort of community health businesses sharing it.
00:21:18 Josh Felber
No, I think that’s awesome and that’s the direction I didn’t even think. The healthier that your employees are, the more that they can perform better and less sick days, all that kind of stuff.
00:21:33 Rowena Gates
Yeah, that’s a really compelling case, especially for those bigger companies. The numbers are pretty strong and that saves a company to have employees a little bit healthier, so it’s a good way to go. Plus, they’re happier because you’re taking care of them. You’ve got something for them.
00:21:54 Josh Felber
Yeah, definitely, for sure. Make sure you guys check it out. Where’s the best place they can go to get more information on the device and how it works and who’s used it and all that good stuff?
00:22:06 Rowena Gates
https://eng3corp.com/bank/ because what I want to do is we will put up a page that speaks to your kind of an audience.
00:22:21 Josh Felber
Awesome guys, the link right here is clickable so you guys can go to it. Go check it out. Dive into a lot of the different information that they have up there. They have everybody from Dave Asprey, Major League Baseball pitchers, UFC Fighters, Ben Greenfield, bodybuilders, fitness champions, things like that. So take a look at the information, see where it’s going to help you improve through whether it’s stronger immunity, whether it’s improved heart rate, less damage to your DNA and cellular structures. Take that time, think about it for your business, how you can actually help your employees and give them an internal health and wellness program as well.
So again, Rowena, I appreciate you coming on Making Bank today. Thank you for your time and it’s just an honor to be able to share the information and get it out there.
00:23:14 Rowena Gates
Hey, it’s a real pleasure, thanks so much, Josh!
00:23:17 Josh Felber
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