NanoVi is great for cellular detox as Dr. Pompa explores with Rowena Gates in the latest episode of his Cellular Healing TV podcast.

This week Rowena Gates is interviewed for the 289th episode of Dr. Daniel Pompa’s Cellular Healing TV podcast. Rowena and Dr. Pompa discuss the role of cellular water in protein folding and function, the importance of protein function for cellular health, and the ways that NanoVi™ supports these cellular processes. Enjoy this episode of Cellular Healing TV.


Podcast Transcript>>

Dr. Pompa:
This episode of Cell TV—this is not a microphone. This is bringing ordered water or EZ water, AKA exclusion zone water, right into every cell in my body within nanoseconds. All right, this is a bio-hack you have to see because this affects all the five R’s. I’m telling you. We talk about some of the pro athletes who are using this technology to recover faster, age slower, not get injured, and we talk about a lot of different health conditions where they’re studying this technology. Look, many of you have heard about different waters, whether it’s structured water, ordered water, and now we’re talking about the fourth phase, literally. There’s four phases of water now.

Of course, we know ice. We know steam and regular water. This phase of water is what your cells order. It has everything to do with how you feel and every aspect of health. This is where you fold proteins, which is who you are. Look, this is a great show. Gerald Pollack and other scientists have really talked and make popular the fourth phase of water. On this show, we’re going to dig deep. I’m going to show you this device, and why I believe that this should be part of your healing. All right, I’ll see you on the show.

Ashley:
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. Today our guest is someone who I’ll never forget when you met her, Dr. Pompa. You were speaking at the Bulletproof Conference, and we walked to the vendor area. You immediately fell in love with this amazing device. It’s called a NanoVi and it’s used to promote health, wellness, and performance by initiating cellular repair by supporting protein function for cellular detox. I know you have been loving this device and using it regularly ever since, now more than ever. Rowena Gates is a principal at Eng3 Corporation, the company behind this technology.

We just knew we had to get this brilliant woman on the show. She’s here to talk about the role of cellular water and protein folding. She’ll explain the technology and how it affects the body. I’ll let you two take it from here. This is going to be a fascinating discussion. Let’s welcome Rowena Gates and of course, Dr. Pompa. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Rowena, thank you for being on the show. Gosh, I love this topic. Folks, I can’t wait for you to hear this information. This is a topic that I—we are not going to lose you in the science. I promise you that, I do. If anything I’m really good at, it’s taking the really complicated science and making it understandable. I really want you all to understand this technology because this is groundbreaking. I’m blessed that we’re one of the first people to really bring this technology to you. Many of you can access this. I’ll have to say—you’re going to hear on this episode a story of why this technology is even more important than ever. You’re going to hear that story for sure. by the way, that’s what this is in front of me.

This isn’t a microphone. It’s this device called the NanoVi. I absolutely fell in love with this technology. Rowena, Let’s start with—there’s something—Gerald Pollack—so many of our listeners have heard of him at least. As soon as I bring up structured water or the fourth phase of water—of course, we know there’s ice. There’s vapor. There’s water in its regular form. There’s a fourth phase of water that Pollack and others have proven now, that is in the cell, this EZ water, exclusion zone water, where your cells fold proteins in this area where this water is. We found out that this water’s so critical because proteins, 900 some thousand proteins our cells have, and that is us. That’s who we are.

If you have good proteins, you’re healthy. If you have bad ones, you’re unhealthy, simply put. If you have good and lots of this exclusion zone EZ water, you’re healthy. You fold great proteins and make great hormones, every part of your body. If you don’t, not good. This technology has been talked about. Let’s bring people back into the science into this fourth phase of water. By the way, even Pollack himself says, look, this machine is really the best way to really take advantage of this fourth phase of water. They tested it—I think the University of Washington. I’m not sure. I’ve read lots—I read so many studies on this that I get lost. You can bring clarity.

This may seem woo-hoo that I’m breathing some water vapors right now. In bringing this fourth phase of water into my cells, that seems a little bit esoteric, but it’s not. The science is all over this. What is this EZ water? What am I talking about, the fourth phase of water? Let’s start there.

Rowena:
Okay, so first of all, I can assure you, I won’t go deeply into the science. I’m not a scientist, so I’m the perfect person to explain it in a more general sense.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s clarify that. Your husband—German descent, correct—he’s the one that developed this technology—brilliant man. You can tell a little bit about him and his background. He deserves that.

Rowena:
Absolutely. This is really—the mover behind this technology is Hans Eng, thus the name of [06:09] company. He leveraged work of people like Gerald Pollack, also other people doing water science, and then areas of biology and biophysics. Our knowledge from the scientific community suggested that it would be possible to create a device that could augment what the body does naturally. What is does naturally is create this cellular water that, as you mentioned, can be called EZ water or ordered water. We tend to stay away from the term structured water because it’s a huge umbrella, and it includes things that are not what we’re doing at the cellular level.

One key aspect of this is that the water in your cells is nothing like a glass of water. It has this fourth phase or this different structure of where the water molecules are more closely packed together. It’s acting more like a gel than like a liquid, to some extent. The proteins in the body rely on that cellular water in order to fold, and they must fold in order to function. All protein activity needs the water they’re immersed in. The proteins do all the work in the body. Everything that gets done gets done by proteins, including detoxification and cleaning. What we do is, we have a way to augment the ordered water in the cells because the proteins rely on that water in order to fold.

We can increase ordered water in the cells. The protein uses that to fold, and then there needs to be more ordered water in the cells. Your body does that all the time naturally. We just augment the process so that the proteins can ultimately fold more readily than if they weren’t supported by the NanoVi device.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so the value is, these proteins have to fold in this water, and then that creates health. It creates function, detox, everything we’re talking about, hormone health, everything. All right, what the heck is folded protein? We lost people there, perhaps. When you read the literature of the folding of proteins, folding protein—okay, what is that to the average person watching this? We have doctors watching this that need it explained, too because we forget.

Rowena:
The protein folding’s interesting because it’s gotten a lot of interest lately. Google Mind studied it with alpha fold, which is a big competition with protein folding at the center of it. We’ll see more and more about protein folding. Essentially, the proteins are just a chain of amino acids, which all the doctors know. It’s just a long string of amino acids that needs to fold into a very complicated three-dimensional structure in order to do its job. That process of going from the chain of amino acid into the folded shape that’s effective is called protein folding. That’s what allows it to function. The protein cannot function without this 3-D structure and going through the folding process.

If things go awry and there’s damage and misfolding, that leads to disease states, including things like Alzheimer’s, ALS, which are considered directly related as is Parkinson’s, generally. Really, those diseases are the result of things having gone off the rails. In other words, they could be—the misfold of proteins can be the result of things that have gone wrong, not the cause of the disease itself.

Dr. Pompa:
Some of these scientists have done work showing that if we can increase the cellular water, the water that we’re talking about here, this EZ water, then we can increase the number of folded proteins. Incomplete folded proteins, damaged proteins from toxicity, stressors of any type, create a lot of problems in the body, incomplete healing. You just mentioned many different disease, neurodegenerative diseases, what we know these incomplete folded proteins play a role in. Increasing this water in the cell, then, studies are showing has a very repair, recovery factor in the body.

Rowena:
Absolutely, absolutely. Just helping keep that functioning correctly—the oxidative stress and free radical damage is constantly damaging proteins and the mitochondria, cell membranes, and so on. Anything that gets repaired is going to be repaired by the proteins.

Dr. Pompa:
Sometimes we can look at extremes, whether it’s people with diseases, or we can look at the other extreme, athletes. Athletes have so much oxidative stress, especially endurance athletes. That impairs their recovery, which impairs their performance. I read a study on this early on when I was investigating in. You can quote me if I’m wrong on the number. It’s been a while, but 25 percent less lactic acid build up. Their recovery was dramatically better, maybe 18 percent., maybe I flip-flopped the numbers. The bottom line is, their recovery was dramatically better. when they analyzed lactic—everything when they analyze recovery, dramatic—I believe 25 minutes a day is all they did in that study, breathing this water—pretty impressive.

Rowena:
Yes, that’s correct. That’s correct. They also showed the DNA damage for athletes, which was dramatically reduced. Yeah, it’s very important for athletes, both in terms of their ability to recover quickly and therefore perform better, and their ability to stay healthy long-term, especially important for endurance athletes.

Dr. Pompa:
Then likewise, you get someone who’s toxic, not feeling well, just like the athlete, they have a lot of oxidative stress in their cell, not by exercise, just by toxic stress and other stressors. It’s damaging their DNA. That’s what you said. One of the studies showed it protected and made better DNA. Obviously, when you make energy, you make reactive oxygen species, something we call ROS, which damages protein or causes these folds not to happen. This is imperative for recovery, just from an illness or exercise because of that.

Rowena:
Yeah, absolutely. The mitochondria, the free radical damage, is exhausted out of creating energy and mitochondria. Cleaning out that damage is huge for athletes for energy levels, but for individuals as well. As you pointed out in other presentations, that mitochondrial function is a really important aspect of—it’s one of your R’s for recovery.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it is. This is such an important aspect within the cell for detox, just to feel good, feel normal, every aspect of hormonal performance in the body. Really, that’s why it is one of my R’s. This, to me, is an amazing bio-hack around something that’s very difficult clinically. I can speak clinically now. I train many doctors that we struggle with, and that’s raising the cellular energy. Some of the studies show that when you bring in this exclusion-zone water, this EZ water, you can increase the ATP, protect the DNA, and all these amazing cellular functions increase as well.

Rowena:
Yes, that’s so important. While we’re on your R’s, another one that’s so related to that is inflammation. Whether proteins are turned off or on, anti-inflammatory cytokines are either pro-inflammatory or anti-inflammatory. That balance is a tricky one. If you’re too strong with the anti-inflammatory, you’re subject to getting ill. If you’re too weak or you’re too pro-inflammatory, then you can end up with chronic inflammation. Those cytokines have to hit the protein receptors in order to correctly signal what should be done. Those balances are so tricky.
That’s one of the reasons it’s our approach to not override them. Our approach is to support what they’re already doing, the way the body’s currently working, and augment it, rather than come in with what would happen, say biochemically, is you dose it with something, but then you can also override certain functions.

Dr. Pompa:
To play devil’s advocate, our body obviously needs this water in the cell. It can take regular water, if you will, make this special water, bring it in the cell. It’s so important for life or death. We’re finding this out. Because it’s so important, obviously, the body can do it. Why? Why add more then? In other words, the body does it. Do we have to help the body?

Rowena:
In a perfect world with no toxicity and stressors, it would be a lot less necessary. Your huge body of work is related to the fact that our environments are very challenging for the body, so it’s to help. Augmenting makes more sense when you have those more challenging environments. Young people that are healthy, which you can’t just say children because a lot of children are no longer healthy—they should have the ATP production. They should have everything firing and not need anything.

This would make no difference at all to them. It couldn’t hurt them, but it wouldn’t make a difference. It’s only when there’s a deficiency. Now unfortunately, more children are like that. Certainly as we age, we start to get behind. There’s too much oxidative stress damage, not enough repair. That’s at the heart of the aging [17:35].

Dr. Pompa:
I don’t know many devices that really make up all of my five R’s, which is a roadmap of how you fix a cell, how you detox a cell. This is one of them, it really is, and you’re right. This is a core foundation for every cell function, this exclusion zone water and where these proteins get folded. We just recently—this is the first interview I’ve done in a while because over a week ago, my son broke his back tragically. He literally jumped off a cliff. I don’t have—oh, here’s my cell phone. I don’t even know if you all can see this, but I have to show a picture. This device—we’re doing it an hour twice a day, not that you all have to do that on average. Most of you don’t need to do that.

I read the study, talked about the study. 25 minutes a day made that much difference. We’re doing it twice a day for an hour because his body right now is demanding massive protein folding, proteins to heal. He’s on certain pain medications like Oxycodone just to deal with the pain. He fractured his spine so severely that 75 percent of the people with this spinal fracture are in complete paralysis. First of all, we’re lucky he’s alive. When you see this—this cliff is 60 feet. He started here, and because of that outcast, he didn’t see this down here. He cleared that and did not clear that. He hit straight on that last red dot there with his butt. 50 feet he dropped. He dropped square on his butt, so basically square on his spine. Then he flew into the water. He was drowning.

A boat was luckily—praise God—was there. the doctors don’t even know how he’s alive. His spinal cord wasn’t severed completely—pretty remarkable. He is absolutely laying flat here. I think we’re about nine days out. We chose not to do surgery because I have him on a very strict regimen. I got him home here in the last two days. The first day in the hospital, he was on this. I brought it in. I read him some studies because my son, like me—I want to know what it’s doing. If I’m convinced, I’ll do it every day. He’s done it every day. The need right now for his healing, the amount of proteins that need to be folded, and the amount of damaged proteins he has, even from being on Oxycodone just to function, and just to sleep because the pain is horrific.

Anyways, first of all, I want to thank you. I praise God that I had this. I read him the studies, so he’s been very motivated. By the way, you would say, how does he put that in your face? You use this. This goes in your nostrils. That’s what I used for him. When he moves, I do this when I’m doing my sauna. You can put this on and do other activities here at my desk. It’s very simple to add to your routine daily because really, you don’t have to have this in your face, not for the interview, but like I said, you can also do this. Anyways, thank you, Rowena. It’s been a huge part of his recovery. I believe he’s doing unbelievable, when you look at where he should be and where he is.

He’s rolling around on his own from his back to his side. He even went on his stomach today. I literally pulled his hospital bed out in the sun just to get him some sun. Anyways, this is the first show I’ve done about this tragedy that I know is going to be an amazing testimony. The NanoVi is part of his testimony, so thank you.

Rowena:
I’m so glad you have it. It’s so great that he could get with it right away because the body’s just got such a huge response in that inflammatory response. That’s free radical damage. As much as you can repair it on the fly, that’s a wonderful thing.

Dr. Pompa:
People listening don’t have the trauma my son had—maybe some of you have trauma, but obviously, this is life or death. Most of us don’t, but I do this every day, too, and so does my wife. For these people, we have traumas, meaning emotional, physical, chemical. Just making energy traumatizes our cells. This gives our cells a massive advantage. Explain that a little bit further.

Rowena:
It’s interesting because it is a great way to respond to these stressors. The problems can be physical, psychological, or whatever. In our society, we are largely under a great deal of stress. You’ve done a show previously on heartrate variability. That’s a good measure to show the balance and the autonomic service system, if you can bring a person out of—most of us are in a stressed mode and rebalance by becoming less stressed. That’s something that’s an easy measure to show. The body will—once there’s ability to use the NanoVi, the body will always try to rebalance. That heartrate variability and just accommodating all those stressors—I hope you’ve been using it the last week, too.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I use it. I sat in the hospital every day. I use it every day. As a matter of fact, I probably tripled or quadrupled the time I normally do on it.

Rowena:
Because you did more than that on the stress level. That’s helpful for you and the rest of the family, too, to adjust to that stress. Then the implications, of course, of balancing the autonomic nervous system will be better sleep. Again, that’s mitochondrial function, where you get this positive feedback loop. Better sleep then means better detoxification, better cleanup, better energy levels, and so on. The idea is, you support the body to get these beneficial cascades going.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, absolutely. Look, just a list of all these pro athletes that utilize it—pro fighters, pro baseball players like Matt Boyd. There’s racecar team drivers are using it. You can expand on this. Let’s see. Pro body builders, Ben Pakulski, also female pro body builder—it looks like Brittany [24:47]. Anyways, my gosh. The north America super middleweight champion uses it, Ben Greenfield, one of my good friends.

Rowena:
Yeah, he’s great.

Dr. Pompa:
As a matter of fact, we have a picture of Ben using it when he’s on his bike there. Anyways, I’m sure there a lot more users than that, but some of the top people in our industry. Dave Asprey—he uses it every day himself. There’s a lot of attention around this because I think there’s a lot of new science around this fourth phase of water that everybody’s talking about and understanding its role. The fact that right now, we have the technology that we can actually increase this water—this is it. I’ll let you briefly explain what’s happening. They’re running—this is distilled water that we put in the unit. It’s running it through different wavelengths of light. Your husband—brilliant. Is his background engineering? I can’t recall.

Rowena:
Yes.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, of course. Engineers develop everything. You might want to tell that story of why and how the heck he put this thing together. Explain what’s happening here a little bit.

Rowena:
The distilled water’s running through this excitation chamber that bombards the water droplets with specific wavelengths. Then that changes the shell of the water droplet so that the water becomes more ordered. Then that’s what you’re breathing, so it’s a different structure of that water. The level of order in the water is much higher. Then that