Transcript
00:00:00 Dr. Will Cole
For people that don’t know what NanoVi is, what what is?
00:00:02 Rowena Gates
It NanoVi is a device and it’s about the size of a small printer, and you inhale the output of the device, which is a humidity.
00:00:12 Dr. Will Cole
Can you take us to the genesis?
00:00:13 Dr. Will Cole
Of the invention process.
00:00:15 Dr. Will Cole
So what was the theory of?
00:00:17 Rowena Gates
It that what the body does naturally, which is it emits a specific wavelength that changes the water in the cells. That could be done artificially inside our device.
00:00:27 Dr. Will Cole
What kind of feedback did you get with when Gwyneth Paltrow use?
00:00:30 Dr. Will Cole
Nana be on social.
00:00:31 Rowena Gates
It was really great and she had a really positive thing. It was kind of cute. She said that she didn’t know how it.
00:00:36 Dr. Will Cole
Worked, but she loved it. Yeah, like, how could it be beneficial for someone with high mold toxins?
00:00:43 Rowena Gates
So any detox process is, you know, welcome to.
00:00:49 Rowena Gates
My land. It’s great to be here. I’m loving it out.
00:00:52 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. Yeah. So you were? We were. We’re filming at the Telehealth Center, and that’s people like you said, like you’re in telehealth. I didn’t know you even had, like, a actual office, but we do. Yeah. That’s where my lead team. Most of my league team.
00:01:07 Dr. Will Cole
That and you mentioned back in the day, you’ve it’s been a while since you’ve been to Pittsburgh.
00:01:12 Rowena Gates
Yeah, right. I think I mentioned or did I mention that it was before you were.
00:01:16 Dr. Will Cole
Born. Yeah. Hey, but. And you mentioned the changes that you’ve seen in the city, right?
00:01:21 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:01:23 Rowena Gates
Yeah, yeah, it looks really dynamic. Now when I was here, it was kind of.
00:01:27 Rowena Gates
You know a little.
00:01:28 Rowena Gates
But I don’t know, not not thriving. Yeah. No, it was now. It’s like it’s got a vibrant.
00:01:34 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, because it was obviously in the the Gilded Age, right? It was big. Pittsburgh was a big and then kind of as the steel mills were outsourced to other places, that really hurt the the city, but it has, it’s seen its renaissance for sure.
00:01:47 Rowena Gates
Yeah, no, it looks it looks great.
00:01:49 Dr. Will Cole
Absolutely. Yeah. I feel like I should be on the Board of Tourism for Pennsylvania, but I’m not. But I I I’m always trying to get people to to come and visit Pennsylvania as a whole.
00:01:59 Rowena Gates
Right, it’s a.
00:02:00 Rowena Gates
State it it’s beautiful and just flying in. You could see us like oh, wow, there’s beautiful places all around here.
00:02:05 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. And you mentioned liking nature. I love nature too. Like I live in the middle of the woods with the deer or my neighbors. And yeah. Is that how it is?
00:02:13 Dr. Will Cole
For you too, do you live?
00:02:14 Rowena Gates
No, I’m right now. I’m in the city in Seattle. We have a nice patio and yard and everything, but it’s not the same. Yeah, and I really feel like more and more I’m gravitated towards what you.
00:02:16 Dr. Will Cole
Oh.
00:02:24 Dr. Will Cole
Yes, now I like visiting the city. I’m thankful for it.
00:02:27 Dr. Will Cole
But I need my nature medicine. Yeah, for.
00:02:30 Dr. Will Cole
Sure, we all.
00:02:31 Dr. Will Cole
Do. Yeah. You’re and you’re from the beautiful country of Canada. And I, I don’t know. I’ve had many Canadians on the podcast. I know many Canadians and family. Canadian part of my family’s Canadian. They are some of God’s kindest people and you are no exception to that. Like how? Why is it? I don’t know what?
00:02:47 Dr. Will Cole
It is, but it’s something that I’m sure they’re mean. Canadians. I haven’t met them yet yet, though.
00:02:52 Rowena Gates
I’m sure there.
00:02:53 Rowena Gates
Are.
00:02:55 Dr. Will Cole
What do you think it is? Have you heard that? I’m sure, but there’s some kindness. There’s some.
00:02:59 Dr. Will Cole
Sort of beautiful kindness to.
00:03:01 Rowena Gates
Them I think there’s a more awareness of the kind of social well-being of everyone, so there’s that. There’s a lot more invested in in, you know, social systems that support people. And I think that’s part of it. We’re sort of raised with that. And it’s like, well, yeah, you.
00:03:14 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:03:18 Rowena Gates
Have to pay your taxes, but.
00:03:20 Rowena Gates
You know, we need to take care.
00:03:21 Dr. Will Cole
Of these people. Interesting. Yeah. And that maybe because they always say the Scandinavian countries are kind of the happiest. I don’t know how they measure that. Right. But the different metrics that they do and that that’s quite a social.
00:03:32 Dr. Will Cole
Realized yeah, set of countries as well and countries, yeah.
00:03:34 Rowena Gates
Yeah, they’re very much that way, but a lot, maybe a lot more than Canada. And I think it’s interesting because there’s these social systems that are that are really different than just the economics. It’s not socialism. It’s just, you know, you know, sort of having a a level for everybody, making sure children have health care and.
00:03:48
Yeah.
00:03:54 Rowena Gates
Food and things like that.
00:03:55 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, right. Social systems, not socialism. Exactly.
00:03:59 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, I I I.
00:04:00 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, so how?
00:04:02 Dr. Will Cole
Did you get in your space and I talking to you a little bit before we started recording, you talked about mathematics and like what was your background and how did you?
00:04:09 Rowena Gates
Get into my background was regional economic development. Wow. And I focused on strategic alliances, which at that time mine was the first dissertation on that topic.
00:04:21 Rowena Gates
And then I went from there into business. I was going to be a professor, but.
00:04:26 Rowena Gates
That didn’t. It wasn’t in. The jobs were not in locations where I wanted to live, and so I switched into business and I was a tech entrepreneur for years. I started in 95, my first e-commerce business business logistics on the Internet. So it was really early.
00:04:45 Rowena Gates
And I did that for a while and then I met my current partner, who’s German, and he is the inventor of nano.
00:04:54 Rowena Gates
And he was. He’s German. His English wasn’t that good. And I said, well, I’ll help you out. And then I just kind of transitioned more and more into the company because it was beneficial to people in a way that commerce is not, you know.
00:05:09 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, yeah. What? What part of Germany is he from? Berlin. OK, do you guys go back often or?
00:05:14 Rowena Gates
Yeah, fairly often he goes more than I do, but yes, it’s usually one or two times a year, so he.
00:05:17
Hmm.
00:05:21 Dr. Will Cole
Got it.
00:05:23 Dr. Will Cole
The invented nanavati for people that don’t know what nanovo is, what? What?
00:05:27 Rowena Gates
Is it nano? V is a device and it’s about the size of a small printer, and you inhale the output of the device, which is a humidity and it influences the water in your system in a way that helps the cells function.
00:05:44 Rowena Gates
Better and more specifically, it helps the proteins in the cells function better.
00:05:49 Dr. Will Cole
And and energy is massively popular in the biohacking space. Like I’ve known. What you your work for years being a a major fan of what you’re doing, and you have some significant fans in the biohacking space. Me, me too. But people that are a lot.
00:06:04 Dr. Will Cole
Bigger than me.
00:06:05 Dr. Will Cole
I actually heard about you. I think Jim Quick said Jim Quick that told me, yeah, Jim Quick’s a.
00:06:10 Rowena Gates
Very likely.
00:06:13 Rowena Gates
Big fan. He’s had it for many years.
00:06:14 Dr. Will Cole
And not that he’s a bio. I wouldn’t say he’s a bio actor. He’s not really. But there’s these tangential groups, right? He’s into optimal cognitive performance, Jim. Quick is.
00:06:20 Rowena Gates
Right.
00:06:23 Rowena Gates
Exactly. And he’s had a, I think for about 8 years and he.
00:06:28 Rowena Gates
He’s a really good one for us because there’s such, you probably see this too, but such a huge shift of people concerned about their cognitive well-being and preserving it and and so on. And so Jim’s been a really good one in that regard, cause he’s been paying attention for a long time.
00:06:40
Yeah.
00:06:43 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, for sure.
00:06:46 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, for brain health. Yeah, I have had gym on the podcast go back and we’ll put it in the show notes. But Jim’s on the podcast all about memory and optimizing memory and optimizing brain brain.
00:06:56 Dr. Will Cole
OK. So can you take us to the genesis of the invention process? So what was the the the theory of it from the from the outset?
00:07:06 Rowena Gates
The the theory really, and what Hans recognized is that what the body does naturally, which is it emits a specific wavelength that.
00:07:11
Mm-hmm.
00:07:16 Rowena Gates
It it changes the water in the cells.
00:07:20 Rowena Gates
That that could be done artificially inside our device and delivered across humanity to kind of amp up the body. So give it a boost and normally you shouldn’t really need a boost, right? If everything were perfect. But it’s not, you know, most of us are, you know.
00:07:39 Rowena Gates
Of stress. We’re bombarded with all of these factors and so almost everybody notices the benefit of it and can benefit from it. Really healthy children would probably be the exception.
00:07:42 Dr. Will Cole
Hmm.
00:07:52
MHM.
00:07:52 Rowena Gates
But even in our 30s, our cell energies declining and so at that point that boost is helpful.
00:08:01 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. So we’re talking about mitochondrial dysfunction, oxidative stress, like what are some of the things that’s impacting? Yeah, what are the some of the things that you’re seeing as it’s impacting our things like brain fog and fatigue that so many people settle.
00:08:07 Rowena Gates
Exactly.
00:08:16 Dr. Will Cole
Or right, they just settle for it. But yeah, kind of explain what’s happening, why people feel this cognitive decline in their life to.
00:08:24 Rowena Gates
Some degree. Well, it’s in a way. It’s related to the mitochondrial function that you just mentioned because the device improves oxygen utilization by the cells, which is an indicator of of mitochondrial.
00:08:36 Rowena Gates
Function, But it’s also your brain. That’s a huge user of oxygen in the system, and so if you can utilize it better then you can get a higher performance.
00:08:43
Hmm.
00:08:48
Mm-hmm.
00:08:48 Rowena Gates
But related to that is oxidative stress, which you also mentioned, which is ongoing. You can’t avoid it and that has to be repaired ideally on the fly as fast as possible, especially when we’re concentrating. We don’t want oxidative damage in our brains and that’s.
00:09:06 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:09:08 Rowena Gates
Another another issue for us is that we influence the protein functions and its proteins that fix all the oxidative damage everywhere in the.
00:09:17 Rowena Gates
Body umm, but it’s kind of noticeable in the brain.
00:09:20
Mm-hmm.
00:09:21 Rowena Gates
Because you it’ll clear up that brain fog, or that haziness or fatigue, and you get this kind of.
00:09:28 Dr. Will Cole
Boost. Yeah. OK. So you described with the machine, looks like people like, OK, I.
00:09:36 Dr. Will Cole
They’re the the listeners of the podcast really love biohacks and tech tech and Wellness, so they’re gonna be so excited about this. But for people that we don’t have the machine here.
00:09:46 Dr. Will Cole
You mentioned it being the kind of the size of a printer is analogy that you used, and then there’s I have one at my house. We the none of these. The Cole family loves it. We have nanovic parties in our house. People come over and take turns but like take us through like the protocol and what we’re doing there. And then when I put the water.
00:10:07 Dr. Will Cole
In the NanoVi machine, what’s happening to?
00:10:09 Rowena Gates
The water OK, so.
00:10:12 Rowena Gates
The standard protocol is depends on your condition. Yours is very good and your performance like how how much you’re exerting and so you’ll vary in the amount of use of the device. Anything from maybe 20 minutes a day on up especially for high performance athletes and and people that are really focused, they’ll just leave it on while they’re working.
00:10:34 Rowena Gates
Umm. And that’s another part of the function is that you just breathe it either from a tube or from a nasal cannula, which is those things that you use for oxygen.
00:10:45 Rowena Gates
This is an oxygen, but it helps that utilization as I mentioned. So what’s happening is you put the water into the container on top of the device it’s bubbling to create the humidity and the humidity is running through excitation units in the device. And then you inhale it and those excitation.
00:11:05 Rowena Gates
And it’s are bombarding the droplets with.
00:11:08 Rowena Gates
With first of all, the wavelength that mimics what the body does, and for the biohackers out there, that’s in the range of 1300 nanometers. So you think about your red light is 6640 to 7-8 in there. Then there’s lasers that are 8 to maybe 1000 nanometers.
00:11:29 Rowena Gates
Those those wavelengths go through the water and they hit the biomolecules in the cell, the Now these different we’re hitting wavelengths that can be absorbed by water. We don’t want to go through it, we want it to be absorbed. So it changes the energy of the water, the energy state.
00:11:47
Hmm.
00:11:47 Rowena Gates
And so the first wavelength is the same as the body emits. It’s in the range of 1300 nanometers, but then with more research, we discovered that we could get an even higher benefit from wavelengths that were more readily absorbed by water.
00:12:08 Rowena Gates
So those are up higher in the spectrum still.
00:12:11 Rowena Gates
And so we’re NanoVi functions all the way up to above 3000 nanometers, because those are absorbed by water. So it’s completely different range than any other device out there. And it has a completely different purpose. That’s the only one that’s designed to influence the environment, the water instead of hitting the mitochondria.
00:12:31 Rowena Gates
With red light, which has a definite advantage and and so on.
00:12:36 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. You mentioned earlier about proteins and.
00:12:40 Dr. Will Cole
I’d love to talk about protein folding specifically, what that means. It’s something, not something I’ve talked about on the podcast so much. Maybe what you what you what, what that means for?
00:12:50 Rowena Gates
People. Ohh yeah, I’d love to cause it’s so consistent with what you’re doing. Yeah. So when you pay attention to your, your diet and your intake of supplements.
00:13:00 Rowena Gates
Often included in there are proteins, amino acids, maybe some peptides, and those are all.
00:13:08 Rowena Gates
All by the body, broken down into the amino acids that have to get rebuilt into proteins. So half those amino acids are built by the body itself, and then half have to be eaten about that. And so it’s really important that you eat correctly to get it in there. So you have the building blocks.
00:13:28
Yeah.
00:13:28 Rowena Gates
And but that’s the it’s the proteins when they’re strung together that do the work in the cell.
00:13:37 Rowena Gates
And then if we back up a little bit, the only reason you have DNA is to be the blueprint for a protein.
00:13:45 Rowena Gates
And so with the DNA blueprint, the protein gets strung together. The amino acids, and it can be anything from 50 to 30,000 for the protein tighten, and then the ones that are smaller than 50, say 2 to 50 are just called peptides.
00:14:06
Hmm.
00:14:07 Rowena Gates
So they’re also the same thing. Yeah. And so once that string is made, the DNA codes.
00:14:09 Dr. Will Cole
Right.
00:14:14 Rowena Gates
That it has to then fold into a precise shape or it can’t work.
00:14:21 Rowena Gates
And the instruction for that folding shape because one string of amino acids can be tweaked in different ways depending. That’s your body’s, you know, biochemistry saying, ohh my gosh, we’ve got oxidative stress over here. We need this and and it it knows what to do, which is a brilliant wisdom of the body.
00:14:42 Rowena Gates
And so in order to fold, it has to rely on the cellular.
00:14:49 Rowena Gates
To get the energy to fold. And so basically we’re augmenting that. And then I think what’s really important about our approach is the bodies. Wisdom runs the show.
00:15:03 Rowena Gates
We’re just giving it a little bit better environment, which is helpful because we also have more stress on the system than than we should. And so that’s our approach is just to to support the whole thing and let the body do what it needs to do.
00:15:12
Hmm.
00:15:20 Dr. Will Cole
Got it. And what’s the you’re you’re we’re doing a NanoVi session. I’m thinking of my NanoVi parties at my house and we recommended to tell a health patient too. We can talk about that later. And so it’s enhancing protein folding and it’s. Can you talk about the mitochondrial ATP production piece here?
00:15:40 Dr. Will Cole
And the connection between the two.
00:15:42 Rowena Gates
Yes.
00:15:44 Rowena Gates
There’s a few different aspects of that. One is there’s mitochondrial proteins, especially in the inner membrane, and so those proteins would be assisted by the NanoVi the way any other protein would.
00:15:50 Dr. Will Cole
MHM.
00:15:57 Rowena Gates
Mm-hmm.
00:15:58 Rowena Gates
And then they also are susceptible to oxidative damage because they create it. And so the damage is right there and the mitochondria is available to be damaged. And ideally it gets fixed right away, which is the protein function. So those are the biggest attributes.
00:16:13 Dr. Will Cole
Mm-hmm.
00:16:18 Rowena Gates
Of it, we can see the improvement in mitochondrial function.
00:16:22 Rowena Gates
But there are aspects of the mitochondria that are not well understood in general, but that’s our understanding of how the NanoVi influences those two key aspects of.
00:16:26 Dr. Will Cole
Mm-hmm.
00:16:32 Dr. Will Cole
Got it. OK. So yeah, you mentioned measuring what hat, what data has been looked at, what research has been done on this, the this fluctuations in, you know matter improving of mitochondrial function, lower the oxidative stress etcetera?
00:16:48 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:16:49 Rowena Gates
The mitochondrial function is.
00:16:53 Rowena Gates
There’s a few data points that that suggest the mitochondrial function 1 is oxygen utilization and in one session.
00:17:01 Rowena Gates
The respiratory exchange ratio.
00:17:03
Mm-hmm.
00:17:04 Rowena Gates
Improved by 11%. And so that’s just 120 minute session. So it’s very impactful and they also the metabolic testing company also measured VO2 Max with an improvement of 7.8% in one session.
00:17:09
Right.
00:17:20 Dr. Will Cole
Amazing.
00:17:21 Rowena Gates
And you can say what VO2 Max is about, but we care about it.
00:17:23 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:17:25 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. Well, it’s a great biomarker metric for metabolic health, cardiometabolic health, longevity as well biological aids.
00:17:33 Dr. Will Cole
Biological age health.
00:17:34 Dr. Will Cole
Then so can you. Is there any data like what research has been done over time as like you mentioned in one session, is it cumulative? Is it something that if someone’s consistent with you can even see you know bigger changes?
00:17:47 Rowena Gates
We’re doing longer term studies now, however the the ones we’ve got are a week long.
00:17:55 Rowena Gates
With endurance athletes and.
00:17:58 Rowena Gates
They showed a significant improvement and it ranged. It was a small study ranging from 16 to 35% improvement in double strand DNA damage and double strands, the kind you don’t want because it’s hard to repair.
00:18:13 Dr. Will Cole
MHM.
00:18:14 Rowena Gates
And so it showed that it helped with the the DNA we used endurance athletes at an Olympic training center because they’re doing damage, so they’re they’re good ones to measure.
00:18:24
Hmm.
00:18:26 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:18:26 Rowena Gates
And then the other one that was done over a week is also right up in your bailiwick is total antioxidant activity.
00:18:36 Rowena Gates
And that was significantly improved in one day. But then they also did it day over day, and each day they would start at a higher level than the previous day, suggesting that it has that that latency to to hold over the course of a week.
00:18:53 Rowena Gates
And with with total antioxidant activity, I want to point out that that’s not something anybody could notice and there’s so many things going on in the body that are super important and you’re not going to notice.
00:19:00 Dr. Will Cole
Mm-hmm.
00:19:07 Rowena Gates
And so that’s part of our challenge in the biohacking world as everybody wants to notice it and measure.
00:19:13 Rowena Gates
But one of the most important functions in your body is your antioxidant defense.
00:19:19 Rowena Gates
And it’s not noticeable, but those improvements that was 13 to 17 percent, 13 and initially up to 17% improvement and for if for those who don’t know, the total antioxidant activity, they use a standardized test for that and it includes things like glutathione.
00:19:22
Mm-hmm.
00:19:40 Rowena Gates
And so on. They’re measuring as an indicator of.
00:19:42
Hmm.
00:19:43 Rowena Gates
Antioxidant activity, yeah.
00:19:46 Dr. Will Cole
OK, so people like Jim quick that are interested in brain optimizations myself, I’m interested in brain optimization, health span, lowered inflammation, lower oxidative stress like that’s what kind of drew me to your work and this machine and device like what are some practical things that people notice?
00:20:04 Dr. Will Cole
Talking we talked about like the data points, the biomarkers that we can quantify changes, but what if somebody’s not measuring labs? What are they noticing in their life?
00:20:14 Rowena Gates
Two things there for brain endurance, it’s noticeable and mean.
00:20:19 Rowena Gates
So Dave Asprey, 40 years of Zen, they have, I think they have several NanoViiews there and they always use it during the the CAP training, which really stresses your brain. It’s hard. Nobody really likes doing that one and they get much better results if they’re doing NanoVi at the same time. So that’s that’s the way they use it there.
00:20:24
Hmm.
00:20:39 Dr. Will Cole
Got it.
00:20:40 Rowena Gates
And that was also noticed by the people at BIOS Cybernaut that they had better endurance when they used the NanoVi, but the other thing that most people will notice is it improves the autonomic nervous system.
00:20:55 Rowena Gates
And by and large, a lot of us are in sort of a stress mode really.
00:21:03 Dr. Will Cole
I don’t believe it.
00:21:04 Rowena Gates
This this one was stunning. That 45% improvement in the stress index.
00:21:13 Rowena Gates
With the NanoVi device, we haven’t released those results yet, but the study was just finished and it was significant at the point OOO, one level highly significant and the same thing, the parasympathetic improvement. Now that’s a much lower number.
00:21:14
Hmm.
00:21:31 Rowena Gates
But what people notice there is a sense of calm, a sense of clarity which could also be the mitochondrial function and oxidative damage. Just feeling clearer in their head. But the reduction in stress is pretty noticeable, and we do, or we have done continuous monitoring. So we’re wearing a chest.
00:21:51 Rowena Gates
They’re wearing a chest strap and we’re watching it overtime.
00:21:54 Rowena Gates
And it’s about minutes 7 or 8 that the stress index will plummet, and then the parasympathetic builds at about minute 1314. Usually almost. Everybody’s a lot of consistency, and what we find is that people do the nano recession before they go to bed. They sleep way better because they’ve taken them ourselves.
00:21:59
Hmm.
00:22:15 Rowena Gates
Out of the stress mode to kind of get ready for bed, yeah.
00:22:19 Dr. Will Cole
Something that I’ve noticed with telehealth patients that use it consistently in myself is my exactly what you said, the R.E.M. And the deep sleep scores improved with the use of NanoVi yes. And that makes sense with it modulating the autonomic nervous system supporting that, decreasing that sympathetic tone and supporting that resting.
00:22:40 Dr. Will Cole
Suggesting.
00:22:41 Rowena Gates
And we love to see that and people love to see it.
00:22:44 Rowena Gates
But it’s not a study, and so it’s possible with your oral ring that you get a different result and there could be 100 other things that come into play, but most people like you, for example, are going to be, you know, pretty aware of that. And and what those differences are, especially over time, if you’ve got a history.
00:22:46 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, right. It’s any good at this point.
00:22:54 Dr. Will Cole
Yep.
00:23:04 Dr. Will Cole
Right over time, consistent changes and yeah, I’m not bringing like as much as I can be my own end of one experiment and mitigate variables as much as possible and consistency, right? It’s not just a fluke one time. It’s something you can see improve.
00:23:11 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:23:17 Dr. Will Cole
Time do you do you do like like what’s your session look like? I get like someone that is like behind the company. Ohh. How do you use?
00:23:26 Rowena Gates
It excessively I I use it usually when I meditate in the morning, unless I’ve loaned the device out, which I tend to be always trying to help people.
00:23:31 Dr. Will Cole
OK.
00:23:36 Dr. Will Cole
Commissionary for folded proteins, yeah.
00:23:39 Rowena Gates
But I use it while I meditate, and so that’s at least 20 minutes.
00:23:45 Rowena Gates
And then I will use it while I’m working during the day. So you you while you work here, but anybody, especially executives that are looking for that brain functioning, just sit down beside you and just you don’t even notice it’s on.
00:23:58 Dr. Will Cole
See, I always wear the Canyon lot. Yeah, I like that. But is there a difference between the cannula and just breathing it through the?
00:24:00 Rowena Gates
I do too.
00:24:05 Rowena Gates
Tube. Generally the cannula will be better because.
00:24:09 Rowena Gates
If you breathe from the tube, you need to be within about an inch, and most people don’t sit still like that. If they’re having a massage or something and they’re flat on their back, it works great. Yeah, so it’s got lots of uses. It’s just that when you’re trying to work and you turn your head, look at your phone and so on you.
00:24:12 Dr. Will Cole
I thought OK.
00:24:14 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, I’m not sitting still.
00:24:26 Rowena Gates
It’s not. It’s not gonna work.
00:24:26 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:24:28 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. OK. So I love the idea of doing it with meditation in the morning. What? Why do you like to do it together with the meditation? Is it just a habit stack or is another?
00:24:32 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:24:37 Rowena Gates
Reason it’s it’s probably mostly a habit stack like it’s. It’s like, yeah, I may as well start my day.
00:24:44 Rowena Gates
That way.
00:24:45 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:24:46 Rowena Gates
And if I if I’m out and off or whatever, I’ve at least got a session in. You know, if I’m not at my desk and one danger is to have it sitting right beside you at the desk and forget to.
00:24:52 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:24:56 Rowena Gates
Put it on.
00:24:58 Rowena Gates
Right. I guess that means you should be using it more.
00:25:02 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:25:03 Rowena Gates
But but yeah, so I it’s kind of a way to start the day and kind of, you know, do that. I do a bunch of things as sort of a morning routine.
00:25:12 Dr. Will Cole
What’s your morning routine look like? So Nanae meditation? Yeah, you have a specific type of meditation first.
00:25:13 Rowena Gates
Well, I.
00:25:16 Rowena Gates
And I.
00:25:17 Rowena Gates
I I do both of the possum as my old style one, but then I also do Joe Dispenza.
00:25:25 Rowena Gates
But I listened to him. So that’s it. Like it not, it’s different. But it it’s like it’s a form of meditation for sure.
00:25:28 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:25:30 Dr. Will Cole
What? What Joe Dispenza meditation is.
00:25:33 Rowena Gates
It a lot of them. OK. Yeah. I spent a lot of money, but it’s so worth it. And there’s one I, there’s one I love that I do often because I think it’s called love your body. But you can do it lying down.
00:25:49 Rowena Gates
I like to lie down.
00:25:50 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, yeah. Lying down like a. Yeah. Like at the end of yoga class, what do they call?
00:25:55 Dr. Will Cole
That.
00:25:57 Rowena Gates
Ohh the the.
00:25:57 Dr. Will Cole
Like. Yeah, yeah, I can. I think of. I’m sorry, all the yoga teachers out there.
00:26:00 Rowena Gates
Ohh man, you’re gonna.
00:26:02 Dr. Will Cole
Shavasana.
00:26:02 Rowena Gates
Yeah. Yeah, that’s yeah.
00:26:03 Dr. Will Cole
It’s like a lying down sort of meditation. I redeemed myself. So OK, you’re lying down, Joe. Just spend some meditation. You mentioned Vipassana as well for people that don’t know.
00:26:13 Rowena Gates
I I did that. Ohh yeah for the morning routine. It’s just a type of meditation.
00:26:17 Rowena Gates
And, but there’s all kinds of them and any I think any of them are good. And then I in the morning that routine is I. Well, I first I drink water, I go out and stand in the grass. And this is in Seattle. And if there’s snow on the ground, I go stand in the snow. I stand in the rain no matter what it is. I go out and stand.
00:26:20
MMM.
00:26:39 Rowena Gates
In the grass and then I.
00:26:41 Dr. Will Cole
Good. How long are you standing?
00:26:43 Rowena Gates
Ohh just I do a quick kind of energy clearing thing and it depends. I might be out there for 10 minutes if it’s nice and if it’s really freezing. I don’t last that long.
00:26:55 Rowena Gates
I’m like clearing that energy as fast as I can.
00:26:57 Dr. Will Cole
Come on, get out. Get out.
00:26:58 Dr. Will Cole
Energy.
00:26:59 Rowena Gates
And then and then the other thing I do is this is a a nod to Jim Quick is.
00:27:05 Rowena Gates
He says do something hard, right. You should do things that are hard. And now there’s so much research. He’s been saying that for years now. There’s all this research showing that it’s way better for you if you don’t really want to do it basically. And so that one is, I take a cold shower, I take a hot shower. I I work out usually.
00:27:17
MMMM.
00:27:25 Rowena Gates
Either some cardio or some way.
00:27:28 Rowena Gates
Nights and then I I always take that cold shower after after a hot shower.
00:27:36 Dr. Will Cole
If you do a hot shower and then you finish on cold. Yeah, which sounds miserable, but that’s the point. Kind of right.
00:27:42 Rowena Gates
Yeah. And it’s funny how much you grow to like it. I mean, I don’t. I don’t like to do it, but I like the feeling.
00:27:45 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:27:48 Dr. Will Cole
Afterwards, I agree I do it.
00:27:50 Rowena Gates
As well, and Pittsburgh, I mean it’s it’s cold here. It’s cold in Seattle. You don’t need a cold plunge. Yeah.
00:27:53 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, we don’t even. Yeah.
00:27:55 Dr. Will Cole
No. Yeah, yeah, you’re right. But huge chunk of the year.
00:28:00 Dr. Will Cole
We have nature as the cold.
00:28:01 Rowena Gates
Bunge. Yeah. Yeah. And we have a lake, right? We’re right above a lake, and we have the ocean. And even in the summer, the Ocean’s pretty cold. If you if you.
00:28:10 Rowena Gates
Go.
00:28:10 Dr. Will Cole
Out there. Oh yeah, Pacific is.
00:28:12 Rowena Gates
But I could see going to the cryo center on the in the summer, but in the winter it’s like I don’t need that, yeah.
00:28:15
Yes.
00:28:16 Dr. Will Cole
That’s when I have my cold plunges, the summer months.
00:28:19 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. OK. So anything else in the morning routine like, what’s the the inner details of?
00:28:26 Rowena Gates
Oh man, I think that’s oh, I always use red light. Uh, I do that. But I’ll do that while I’m meditating. Like.
00:28:35 Dr. Will Cole
Wow, you are habit stacking. NanoVi Red light meditation.
00:28:35 Rowena Gates
I’m.
00:28:36 Rowena Gates
I am.
00:28:39 Rowena Gates
Yeah, all those are things all together.
00:28:40 Dr. Will Cole
Combo.
00:28:42 Dr. Will Cole
Which they’re. But I mean, they’re all supporting a lot of the same things, right? I mean, there’s.
00:28:47 Dr. Will Cole
They’re.
00:28:47 Dr. Will Cole
Kind of, yeah. Multi pronged approach right to that parasympathetic increased mitochondrial function.
00:28:53 Rowena Gates
Yeah. And there’s sometimes.
00:28:55 Rowena Gates
When I’m doing the red light instead of a, well, it’s kind of a meditation as well as I’ll do alpha.
00:29:02 Rowena Gates
To just get my brain going in the morning.
00:29:05 Rowena Gates
Alpha, wavelength, alpha, binaural beats, and so on.
00:29:05 Dr. Will Cole
GPC. Ohh.
00:29:08 Dr. Will Cole
Ohh, got it. Got it. Got.
00:29:09 Dr. Will Cole
It I.
00:29:09 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, the the neurotropic. Yeah. But you can see that will that will be supportive too. No. OK, so I binaural beats are a great tool for people that don’t know what that is can.
00:29:21 Rowena Gates
You. Well, it’s a brain training and it’s just it’s more than binaural beats too. It’s other. It’s other kind of tones and sounds.
00:29:29 Rowena Gates
That initiate alpha brain waves. And that’s a very that’s a great way to start the day is kind of more alert and creative, but calm. And then in the evening, typically delta wavelength, the same type of thing.
00:29:47 Dr. Will Cole
So is this a device that?
00:29:49 Dr. Will Cole
Like a frequency sound medicine device.
00:29:51 Rowena Gates
Yeah, there’s lots that that are programs. I think you could just find them on the Internet, but I use both Mine Valley.
00:29:59 Rowena Gates
Vishala Kyani staff or brain tap and they both have great. I love brain tap. Yeah, they both have great stuff on it.
00:30:06 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, my valley and break tap too. Great. Yeah. Brain taps. Do you have you tried the brain tap before? It’s really cool device like the actual.
00:30:13 Rowena Gates
Range. Ohh yeah, we’re like bodies, but there’s so much combined use of brain tap and now with that, Patrick and I go back a long ways.
00:30:16 Dr. Will Cole
OK.
00:30:21 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, so brain brain tap kind of combines binaural beats with some light therapy, right?
00:30:28 Rowena Gates
It does it. It’s got lights on the ears and there’s a visor with blue lights as well, so it’s doing a few different things.
00:30:29
You.
00:30:38 Dr. Will Cole
That’s what I need to do. I need to do nano bee with brain tap. That’s a great company.
00:30:40 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:30:41 Rowena Gates
It’s a great combination.
00:30:43 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, I mean, this is like a biohackers paradise. I saw you last in person at the biohacking conference.
00:30:52 Dr. Will Cole
Are you going this year? Yes, I I don’t think I’ll make it this year, but yeah, I’m sorry. I’ll.
00:30:57 Dr. Will Cole
Miss you guys.
00:30:57 Rowena Gates
Ohh.
00:30:57 Dr. Will Cole
But I I have to speak, I think it’s same weekend somewhere else.
00:31:01 Dr. Will Cole
But the IT is a such a cool event.
00:31:04 Rowena Gates
Isn’t it? It’s a really fun event and it’s a great event for us because people really appreciate what we’re doing.
00:31:10 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, it’s. Yeah, you’re peeking.
00:31:11 Rowena Gates
And there’s some there’s some conferences we can go to, and if they’re too sort of allopathic, it’s it. There’s an attitude that that well, you know, I don’t know about this, it can’t be real kind of thing or they’re only looking at biochemistry.
00:31:27 Rowena Gates
And we’re 100% biophysics. You know, we’re not. And there’s there’s a constant question. But what’s the substance it’s like.
00:31:35 Rowena Gates
Nothing. You know, it’s water. It’s just it’s biophysics.
00:31:37
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:38 Dr. Will Cole
It’s it’s you would say resonance and frequency more than.
00:31:42 Rowena Gates
Correct coherence in those water molecules, yes.
00:31:44 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, coherence.
00:31:47 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. Got it. For people that don’t know, like coherence. Like, could you define that? Cause I think that’s.
00:31:52 Rowena Gates
Fascinating for us, but we we call it ordered water because it’s easier to understand, but the water molecules are packed together very closely and they could be just kind of all over random. But when they get packed together, it’s ordered or.
00:31:52
Yeah.
00:32:07 Rowena Gates
It’s highly there’s a high coherence in that.
00:32:09 Rowena Gates
And that’s the state that’s needed in the body to support the proteins and the way that work is, is the amino acids are kind of this chain of amino acids. So they’re not that structured. So you need the water with this order and that transfers over to the amino acids. So they have all their bonding to create the 3D shape.
00:32:15 Rowena Gates
Hmm.
00:32:32 Rowena Gates
And the water loses that ordered state, so it’s constantly being recharged when the body does that normally and we’re just boosting it.
00:32:33
Mm-hmm.
00:32:37 Dr. Will Cole
Mm-hmm.
00:32:41 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:32:42 Dr. Will Cole
And there’s it seems like there’s you’re using technology, right, but there there seems to be a beautiful overlap between frequency medicine and sound medicine, and what you’re doing and.
00:32:54 Dr. Will Cole
The.
00:32:56 Dr. Will Cole
Residents that they talk.
00:32:57 Rowena Gates
About it’s all resonance. It’s all vibration and that’s the nano. Very small.
00:33:00 Dr. Will Cole
MM.
00:33:03 Rowena Gates
And V vibration it’s very it’s it’s all you know at some level it’s all energy, yeah.
00:33:04 Dr. Will Cole
Ohh I didn’t know that.
00:33:06 Dr. Will Cole
The V part, yeah.
00:33:10 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. So I could see an allopathic medical conference that not necessarily having the, the you know the ears to hear per se.
00:33:18 Rowena Gates
Sometimes, yeah, right.
00:33:20 Dr. Will Cole
Is it changing? Do you feel like the conventional allopathic world is kind of evolving a bit towards understanding these things that are maybe a little bit not? They’re what they’re trained, but there’s there’s exciting.
00:33:30 Dr. Will Cole
Science behind it.
00:33:31 Rowena Gates
Yeah. And I want to give them a lot of credit because there is a lot more open mindedness and I know this because at least at one medical school, it was my son finished a year ago.
00:33:42 Rowena Gates
And I was impressed with what he learned there and the things that we like the the standard opinion is that, well, doctors don’t learn any of that and they don’t learn any of this and so on. And true enough they do learn a lot about pharmaceuticals. However they I was impressed that he did learn some some of these.
00:34:03 Rowena Gates
Cellular functions that are are so critical. Mm-hmm. So that made me, that felt hopeful.
00:34:10 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. Yeah. And you look, all you have to do is go to the Institute for Functional Medicine. Like most of the doctors that are trained the way that I’m trained.
00:34:18 Dr. Will Cole
And are allopathic doctors that have had interest have interest in this even if they weren’t trained so much on Wellness and advancements. I I am hopeful because you look at the amount of conventional allopathic doctors that want to learn because they want they got into this space because they want to.
00:34:37 Rowena Gates
Help people, most of them, and so many of them.
00:34:39 Rowena Gates
Have this amazing advanced training like some of these guys have.
00:34:41 Dr. Will Cole
Yes.
00:34:43 Rowena Gates
Just spent so much of their lives learning at you know, first of all, the medical school stuff and then also taking on all these other approaches and they’re just fabulous doctors.
00:34:53 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, well-rounded. Yeah. well-rounded. Yeah, for sure. So I mean, it’s going back to the biohacking conference like, what are your some of your favorite things that you look forward to?
00:35:02 Dr. Will Cole
Seeing there every year.
00:35:03 Dr. Will Cole
When you’re at the biohacking conference.
00:35:05 Rowena Gates
It’s the people. It’s all the people.
00:35:08 Dr. Will Cole
Any stories that come to mind of people you’ve met or stories you’ve heard?
00:35:14 Rowena Gates
I think that it’s just, I can’t think of anything specifically.
00:35:21 Rowena Gates
But it’s it’s the chance to reconnect like I I had somebody say, well, it must have been a good conference for you. It can’t hurt that Jim Quick was hanging out at your booth. You know, stuff like that. And it’s like, oh, man, I love Jim quick. I think he’s one of the finest people. I I just, you know. And so it’s like, well, this is such a treat.
00:35:40 Rowena Gates
To to spend time with people that.
00:35:40 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, it is like you get all these people in the same room. Yeah. It’s like a special thing. That doesn’t really happen any other time like that, right. It’s a really unique thing that Dave has brought together.
00:35:54 Dr. Will Cole
Any other booths that you have you want you like going by and checking?
00:35:57 Rowena Gates
Out. Ohh I go. I go. If I can go early before people are there so I can sneak away then I’m just like grabbing whatever I can get. But I I love to do a bit of PMF.
00:35:58 Dr. Will Cole
What’s your favorite food? Goodbye.
00:36:11
OK.
00:36:12 Rowena Gates
And there’s some shift wave is one that’s some kind of recentering rebalancing that I think is really great, especially to at that conference because it it really helps recenter you.
00:36:20 Dr. Will Cole
Mm-hmm.
00:36:25 Dr. Will Cole
MHM.
00:36:28 Rowena Gates
I like the red. You know the red lights depending.
00:36:31 Rowena Gates
Red light is not all created equal.
00:36:33 Dr. Will Cole
OK, that what’s it? What do you what have you found? What? What’s the? What’s the the T behind red lights? I mean, I know this, but I want you to share with everybody.
00:36:40 Rowena Gates
Well, the sunlight has a lot of therapeutic wavelengths.
00:36:44 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:36:46 Rowena Gates
And many of them are not in the red light spectrum. Mm-hmm. And only certain ones in the red light spectrum are therapeutic. So if you see a really, really inexpensive device and it looks just like one that’s expensive or or if somebody which I’ve seen charging.
00:36:49
Hmm.
00:37:04 Rowena Gates
Are really expensive. Price for something like, you know, 4 or $5000 for something that’s 200 on Alabama Alibaba. It’s like that’s pretty painful. And so you have to really watch those things and you have to look at what the wavelengths are. And I can’t tell you off the top of my head, but like I think 640 is.
00:37:12 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, probably, yeah.
00:37:21 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:37:24 Rowena Gates
Is one that’s pretty standard, and there’s evidence of that one being effective and so on.
00:37:28 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, any pro tips for someone? Because I get asked this question a lot, they’ll send me some.
00:37:33 Dr. Will Cole
Cheap product out there and you know may be good. But you know I haven’t tried every product on the on the, on the market and not just for red light or any Wellness device by a hacker device. Anything that you think advice you have for people to vet what they’re using as far as well.
00:37:54 Rowena Gates
The devices? Well, there are. There’s a measurement tool, but I think it’s like 3 or $4000 where you you can measure the red light for the different lights actually. And the one I like has both some natural sunlight spectrums which we need at this northern latitude because we aren’t.
00:38:02 Dr. Will Cole
For red light specifically, OK.
00:38:12 Rowena Gates
Getting those rays are not making it to us when we’re this far north, and so you could just do like 2 minutes with that on the sunlight setting and then you do 10 minutes on red light or something.
00:38:23 Dr. Will Cole
Mm-hmm. What what red light panel do you?
00:38:25 Rowena Gates
Like that’s my deluxe. OK. And I I like them very much. Yeah.
00:38:30 Dr. Will Cole
I’d love to talk about NanoVi for some of the type of cases that we see with telehealth patients. Is mold toxicity. Let’s start there like how could it be beneficial?
00:38:44 Dr. Will Cole
For someone with high mold toxin.
00:38:47 Rowena Gates
So any detox process is first of all really stressful on the body and so it needs that cell energy production and also any of those metabolic pathways that you’re that you’re working with. And actually any bio biochemical.
00:38:52
Hmm.
00:39:06 Rowena Gates
Process at all requires protein functions to execute it. So whatever you do is proteins are intrical and then you want them to work as well as they can.
00:39:07 Dr. Will Cole
Hmm.
00:39:21 Rowena Gates
Hmm.
00:39:22 Rowena Gates
So with mold, the biggest the biggest things.
00:39:24 Rowena Gates
Are the elimination like you can stir it up, but you really need to get.
00:39:29 Rowena Gates
It out of.
00:39:29 Rowena Gates
There and the and just supporting the overall system because it it’s really doing some work and we have had a lot of use with it in the olden days we had a lot of lime.
00:39:30 Dr. Will Cole
Hmm.
00:39:37
MHM.
00:39:45 Rowena Gates
Huge amount of lime.
00:39:46 Dr. Will Cole
I mean, just like, well, it’s biotech.
00:39:47 Rowena Gates
Yeah. And I think a lot of it, you could probably probably was mold, you know that at that in those days. Yeah, it just kind of got labeled.
00:39:52 Dr. Will Cole
Right. Mold reactivating the corellium.
00:39:56 Rowena Gates
Umm. And so it’s, it’s effective, but that’s all. That’s a process they need Someone Like You to get through that. And it’s it’s like the most important thing. It seems to clear clean up the cells so that it can function properly.
00:40:13 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, any biotoxin mold, bacteria, viruses, whether you know, no matter what the primary one is increasing mitochondrial function is essential. And this is a wonderful tool.
00:40:25 Dr. Will Cole
That was actually.
00:40:26 Dr. Will Cole
The.
00:40:27 Dr. Will Cole
I connected you with and this is. I’m not breaking any HIPAA confidentiality because you shared this on social media. Her use of this is I connected you with Gwyneth Paltrow and her using nano because we we’re dealing with long COVID and mold issues. And she shared her using what kind of feedback did you get with when Gwyneth Paltrow?
00:40:48 Dr. Will Cole
Used Navy on social.
00:40:50 Rowena Gates
Well, I was so excited. Yeah.
00:40:52 Rowena Gates
I was just so excited myself. I didn’t care about the feedback. There was great feedback. It was really great and she had a really positive thing. It was kind of cute. She said that she didn’t know how it.
00:41:02 Rowena Gates
Worked but.
00:41:03 Rowena Gates
She loved it. Not too.
00:41:04 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:41:05 Dr. Will Cole
Long ago, she sent me a video of her using it still, so she’s consistent with it? Yeah.
00:41:08 Rowena Gates
Oh, I love it. Well, The thing is that you don’t know how many things work, you know, a nice car or whatever. But if if it works, then you’ll love it. Yeah. Yeah, you, we we don’t have time in our lives to understand, you know.
00:41:16 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:41:19 Dr. Will Cole
You notice the difference in your body.
00:41:21 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:41:26 Rowena Gates
The manusha of how everything works so.
00:41:28 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, the the.
00:41:30 Dr. Will Cole
Mechanism of action on every little thing. The OK, So what? Do you have anything coming up? Like anything new in the pipelines for you? Like, what’s what’s coming up for Nano game?
00:41:41 Rowena Gates
The next thing will be completing the study that I mentioned. So that’s just launched, but it’s it’s there’s.
00:41:48 Rowena Gates
Multifaceted study and that a month long.
00:41:54 Rowena Gates
And then what? I’d really love to do is there’s some really amazing testing, all systems testing. I’d like to do, they really need two months to see a difference, but it’d be nice to do a study with them over two months. So that’s something I’ve kind of looked at, but we can only carve off so much at a time.
00:42:14 Rowena Gates
So I’m excited about that. And then?
00:42:19 Rowena Gates
Uh.
00:42:21 Rowena Gates
I don’t think there’s other things. There’s not other things that are really product related. Mm-hmm. But there’s lots of of kind of exciting events. I was invited to a A a group out of Greece that have, I think it’s the biggest Wellness retreat in Europe. It’s beautiful.
00:42:36 Dr. Will Cole
Wow. Wait, where is this? When?
00:42:38 Dr. Will Cole
Is this in Greece?
00:42:39 Rowena Gates
It’s on the Peloponnese peninsula and it’s is it in July. Yes, first.
00:42:45 Dr. Will Cole
They just asked me to speak at it.
00:42:48 Rowena Gates
Are you going? Ohh, my gosh, we could carpool.
00:42:51 Dr. Will Cole
Carpool they just this is crazy. I just got an e-mail yesterday about it.
00:42:56 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:42:56 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, I need to look this up. So it’s. Do you fly into Athens? That’s what they told me.
00:43:00 Rowena Gates
Yes, other, yes is it. Is it euphoria, I think.
00:43:06 Dr. Will Cole
Yes, that is so crazy. Well, we’re it’s not confirmed yet. I haven’t confirmed like Andrea. My team has to, like, work out the logistics, but.
00:43:08 Rowena Gates
You gotta go.
00:43:15 Dr. Will Cole
And my son’s home from, I’ll be honest, like this is a.
00:43:17 Dr. Will Cole
Dad moment I.
00:43:19 Dr. Will Cole
Love speaking. It’s one of my favorite parts of my job. Telehealth patients come first, but speaking is I love it, especially getting to hang out with people and being, you know, outside of my telehealth room. Hold up in here. But my son’s home from college and it’s.
00:43:34 Rowena Gates
Summer.
00:43:34 Dr. Will Cole
Breakfast so quick and I like wanna soak in all the time with him. So I’m.
00:43:37 Dr. Will Cole
Gonna make him.
00:43:38 Dr. Will Cole
Come with me. If I go, you have a son in college. You should definitely take it. Yeah. Solomon, he’s been on the podcast before. He’s 8.
00:43:45 Dr. Will Cole
I know I had kids very young. I was. I was a child groom.
00:43:47 Rowena Gates
They’re brilliant.
00:43:49 Rowena Gates
Ohh I love it. I love.
00:43:51 Rowena Gates
It yeah, he should.
00:43:53 Dr. Will Cole
Go. Yeah, he loves Greece. We’ve been to Athens before him and I.
00:43:55 Dr. Will Cole
Actually took my team. He loves Greek mythology and so if if it works out, you know, I hope it does because I I love speaking.
00:43:58 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:44:04 Rowena Gates
Well, I’m excited about that one because well, for one thing, they are inviting a lot of press.
00:44:09 Dr. Will Cole
Ohh cool. So I you know I need.
00:44:10 Rowena Gates
Yeah, yes. Ohh I can tell you all about it.
00:44:11 Dr. Will Cole
You on my.
00:44:13 Dr. Will Cole
I just got an e-mail like it sounds fun. Like I know no detail.
00:44:16 Rowena Gates
But they really want to kind of dig into these, not that many products, but having products there.
00:44:22 Rowena Gates
And having it it’s like a festival, a longer term thing and having.
00:44:27 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, I think the third to.
00:44:28 Dr. Will Cole
The 13 it’s like a long time.
00:44:30 Rowena Gates
And it’s the 3rd to the 13th. They have press from the US, Germany, France and the UK and Greece.
00:44:37
Hmm.
00:44:38 Rowena Gates
And so that is a wonderful thing. But even more wonderful for us is the metabolic testing.
00:44:45 Rowena Gates
That they basically called us off and said, Oh my gosh, we never see something change in one session. Those guys are Greek and I love those guys. And so they’ll be there and that’s they’re using that metabolic testing device as a confirmation of NanoVi.
00:45:02 Dr. Will Cole
Amazing. So you can.
00:45:03 Rowena Gates
Yeah. So Panoli will have a big team there. They just have to come.
00:45:07 Dr. Will Cole
Down for Athens? Yeah. Connect all the metabolic nerds unite.
00:45:09 Rowena Gates
And so yeah.
00:45:12 Rowena Gates
Ohh, you’d love it. You gotta go.
00:45:14 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, and now it’s a sign. I just entered this e-mail.
00:45:17 Dr. Will Cole
Today. So I was like, well, let’s see. But yeah, that’s so cool.
00:45:21 Rowena Gates
I don’t applaud them on their taste.
00:45:26 Dr. Will Cole
Thank you. Likewise. Likewise, that’s fun. That’s is super cool. Alright, before we go the the podcast is called the art of being. Well at the end we have your art of being well. What is the worst tasting healthy food that you eat? It’s it’s.
00:45:42 Dr. Will Cole
It’s done for Health Science benefits, not for the.
00:45:45 Dr. Will Cole
Taste.
00:45:46 Rowena Gates
Oh, mine is it. It could be just plain collagen. It’s not yummy.
00:45:56 Dr. Will Cole
I’ve never had anyone say that before, but that’s OK.
00:45:59 Rowena Gates
Let’s see. I don’t think there’s.
00:46:02 Rowena Gates
I’ll, I’ll I eat like I don’t care what it tastes like.
00:46:06 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, you’re like that level of Wellness.
00:46:07 Rowena Gates
If it’s the right, if it’s the right stuff, you know.
00:46:09 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. No, I’m the same way.
00:46:11 Dr. Will Cole
I will get some nasty things and be be I don’t care. Yeah, if it’s like I’ll just get it done. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:17 Rowena Gates
I’m.
00:46:18 Rowena Gates
That’s fine.
00:46:19 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, what’s wrong with us is the question, what is wrong?
00:46:22 Rowena Gates
With. Well, yeah, I’ve. I’ve never been picky. I guess, as as far as food goes.
00:46:26 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, see, I’m picky. I’m picky. If it’s done for taste, if if, but I can that just shows you mind over matter. If it’s like, no, I’m not doing it for taste. I can shut that part of of my. Yeah, sort.
00:46:31 Rowena Gates
I see, yeah.
00:46:36 Dr. Will Cole
Your body and appreciate why I’m doing it so it’s not like torture. I just yeah. Know why I’m doing.
00:46:43 Rowena Gates
It and I also part of my morning routines. I take a little shot of apple cider vinegar in the water like I mix it with water and then drink it fast.
00:46:51 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, they’ll be talking like with the mother. The Braggs? Yeah, with the mother. You know, the mother.
00:46:54 Rowena Gates
Oh.
00:46:56 Rowena Gates
Ohh yeah.
00:46:58 Dr. Will Cole
You know, mother.
00:46:59 Rowena Gates
But that’s not that’s kind of not great tasting, but it’s.
00:47:03 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:47:03 Dr. Will Cole
Fine people do say TV for sure. Every time as we’re going through this conversation, there’s more and more tidbits from this morning routine of yours. Like it’s coming out.
00:47:14 Rowena Gates
I don’t start work till noon, no.
00:47:18 Rowena Gates
No, mine’s pretty condensed, which is why I’m pairing these things because I’ve.
00:47:24 Rowena Gates
Try to get get rolling you know.
00:47:25 Dr. Will Cole
So you were joking there, you you definitely. You were working in the morning or or you really. Yeah. Well, people, people will clip this on social media and be like these people Wellness are so unattainable and so not normal. But you were joking you ohh.
00:47:29 Rowena Gates
Ohh yeah, I’m joking though some people manage that, but they’re little smarter than I am.
00:47:41 Dr. Will Cole
You’re.
00:47:42 Rowena Gates
Completely. I’m I’m absolutely.
00:47:44 Dr. Will Cole
Sense of humor is an acquired taste on social media. If you didn’t realize that there’s a lack of it in certain pockets.
00:47:49
I mean.
00:47:50 Rowena Gates
Yeah. Yeah, no, I could start as early as 7 or 8, but usually I try to start a little later.
00:47:55 Rowena Gates
On that. But then I’m going till 5 or 6 so it.
00:47:58 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that’s why, I mean, that’s why you’d have that stacking, right. You’re you’re because you are.
00:48:02 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:48:03 Dr. Will Cole
Busy you are working on.
00:48:04 Rowena Gates
Yeah. And I get up pretty early, which is is that works out well for me. I go to bed early and I get up early. I usually before 10 and then I’m I easily can wake up at 5:00.
00:48:10 Dr. Will Cole
What time do you go to bed?
00:48:18 Dr. Will Cole
30 Do you wake up without an alarm or with an alarm?
00:48:22 Rowena Gates
Only always without an alarm it seems. I like if I have an early flight I just don’t sleep well.
00:48:24 Dr. Will Cole
Hmm, that’s great.
00:48:29 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:48:30 Rowena Gates
So it’s easy to wake up, yeah.
00:48:32 Dr. Will Cole
Hey for sure. OK, so next question is do you take supplements? I’m assuming you do. And if so, what are two supplements that are maybe out-of-the-box, lesser known that people would be surprised about or should know?
00:48:45 Rowena Gates
About silicon, maybe. But everybody probably knows about that.
00:48:49 Dr. Will Cole
But we haven’t talked about in the podcast, so talk.
00:48:51 Dr. Will Cole
About it, but.
00:48:52 Rowena Gates
That’s a hydration issue I have to.
00:48:56 Rowena Gates
You don’t have to augment because of hydration.
00:48:59 Rowena Gates
And silica something if you if you don’t need it, you shouldn’t take it because it can actually have an, you know, not be good. But that’s when I I I have a benefit from and I take a lot usually everyday I let’s see if there’s anything totally out-of-the-box. I think they’re all pretty standard.
00:49:07 Dr. Will Cole
Hmm.
00:49:20 Rowena Gates
Like nothing. Very creative.
00:49:22 Dr. Will Cole
Too weird.
00:49:23 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:49:25 Rowena Gates
UM.
00:49:26 Rowena Gates
I know I’m a bit.
00:49:27 Dr. Will Cole
Of a bore? No. I actually I’d like that because you are such. I would say I’m more of an elite biohacker. You’re in the elite biohacker space to say that the basic stuff are the most important is really, I think, will speak to the people out there.
00:49:40 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:49:41 Rowena Gates
And I also I like to have that verification of it. So it’s like a new nootropic. Oh, yeah, we love this.
00:49:47 Rowena Gates
Thing. Yeah, I’m not gonna do that.
00:49:49 Dr. Will Cole
I love that. Have you tried spermidine? I’ve experimented with that. I’ve noticed a difference. And it’s like at a newer ish. Yes. Class of you know.
00:49:53 Rowena Gates
No.
00:50:00 Rowena Gates
I tell me how to use it. I have some at.
00:50:01 Dr. Will Cole
Home and I’ve just never used. Well that you have spermidine home. I haven’t used it. Yeah, I just take capsule I take, I take 3 capsules of it. So it depends on the brand and the dosage.
00:50:12 Rowena Gates
But it doesn’t matter when though. OK.
00:50:14 Dr. Will Cole
No, no with. Yeah, I take it with food in the morning, but I honestly forget sometimes.
00:50:19 Dr. Will Cole
So I’m kind of whenever I’m in between patients, I’ll just take it whenever, be consistent with it more than anything else. Yeah, to increase.
00:50:23 Rowena Gates
Yeah, yeah, I’ve heard good things.
00:50:27 Dr. Will Cole
Autophagy and.
00:50:29 Rowena Gates
I need. Yeah, yeah. Ohh, that’s another thing I do intermittent fasting, but I don’t do cause of my age. I don’t do the really long ones, so I usually eat by about 11:00.
00:50:32 Dr. Will Cole
OK.
00:50:38 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:50:42 Rowena Gates
And then or 12:00 and then I I stop eating. Usually by, you know 637.
00:50:48 Dr. Will Cole
Have you ever measured your biological age? Have you?
00:50:51 Dr. Will Cole
Looked at that.
00:50:52 Rowena Gates
No, I’m scared to.
00:50:53 Dr. Will Cole
I’m sure you’re doing just fine, Rowena. I’m sure you’re.
00:50:58 Rowena Gates
What if I score like ancient?
00:50:58 Dr. Will Cole
Cools 27.
00:51:00 Dr. Will Cole
I that’s impossible. Don’t even say that. What? What’s we talked about Greece. What’s somewhere you haven’t traveled to? But it’s on your bucket list.
00:51:13 Rowena Gates
Oh, I’ve always wanted to go to the country, Georgia.
00:51:18 Dr. Will Cole
OK, the former Soviet Union.
00:51:18 Rowena Gates
And we have a medical spa there that’s been a big fan of ours and I started looking at them and you know, it’s in the mountains and the food’s amazing and I’m like and then there’s big mountains like climbing and and trekking kind of stuff.
00:51:25
Yeah.
00:51:30 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:51:33 Rowena Gates
And there’s an ocean. And I’m like, this sounds really good. And there’s Hot Springs at the edge of the mountains.
00:51:35 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:51:38 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. And then if he’s in.
00:51:39 Rowena Gates
Georgia. Yeah. And I could go there. Yeah. You should go. Go hang out at that center. It’s a business trip. That’s right.
00:51:42 Dr. Will Cole
Oh, take homes and go hang out.
00:51:46 Dr. Will Cole
Right. Absolutely. Well, I mean there, there aren’t enemies around the world. There aren’t.
00:51:51 Rowena Gates
There, there are. They’re all over, but not in great numbers.
00:51:54 Dr. Will Cole
Yes, right. They’re in the pockets of these, I would say more advance.
00:51:58 Dr. Will Cole
People that are in the know of this is a biophysics of of longevity.
00:52:01 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:52:03 Rowena Gates
Yeah. Yeah. So you’ll see a bunch, say in Dubai, there’s probably there’s more in Dubai than there are in Pittsburgh.
00:52:07 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:52:11 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, yeah. So Dubai knows way more than Western Pennsylvania. I know that.
00:52:14 Rowena Gates
Yeah, but and then they’re in these elite spas and they’re in quite a few of these beautiful high end spas in the Dolomites, in Switzerland and Italy.
00:52:21
Yeah.
00:52:26 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. So it’s like a.
00:52:28 Dr. Will Cole
And these I want people like the average American as I am like the listener like they these I would say, elite biohacker, lots of money. They have none of these for a reason because they see the change. So I think that’s something disconnect because like the elites and know about this stuff. But the trickle like it doesn’t, there’s a disconnect.
00:52:41 Dr. Will Cole
There’s.
00:52:48 Dr. Will Cole
Sometimes for the layperson to understand how it they don’t have to be elite to get in on this amazing technology it’s for.
00:52:53 Rowena Gates
Exactly.
00:52:54 Rowena Gates
Everybody. Yeah, it can be a really good idea, especially if people use it like you do, where lots of people in the family use it or the neighbors come.
00:53:02 Rowena Gates
And use it then. It’s actually a pretty inexpensive intervention.
00:53:05 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. Ohh yeah. Come over. Hang out. Gonna be it up.
00:53:07 Rowena Gates
And yeah. So no, it’s and it’s amazing, but it’s we get a lot of executives and it’s a lot of it’s it’s sort of that brain function. I’m kind of losing my edge. I’m you know I’m feeling a little fuzzy and we sell it in the shopping cart to those people. I mean it’s pretty amazing to me.
00:53:20 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:53:25 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:53:27 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah. So you’re mentioning going back to Dubai cause like I that’s that’s on my bucket list to go to Dubai and.
00:53:33 Dr. Will Cole
I have lots.
00:53:33 Dr. Will Cole
Of friends there and they tell me all the Wellness like explosion that’s happening in the UAE. You know as a whole.
00:53:40 Dr. Will Cole
The have you been there before?
00:53:42 Rowena Gates
Yes, I don’t want to say many times, but several times.
00:53:45 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, because there there’s lots of nano bees. There’s like a nano bee in every corner. OK, so we did. We answer the question where did you want?
00:53:53 Rowena Gates
Where do you want it go? I said Georgia. That’s the one on the top.
00:53:55 Dr. Will Cole
So that’s right, Georgia. That’s right. I need to go with my NanoViim. I’m struggling right today. Yes, I would love to go. I’d love to go to Croatia, too. Yeah, that’s sort of part of the world. OK, next question is where it’s someone that you have been to that’s underrated maybe and should be on other people’s bucket lists.
00:53:57 Rowena Gates
Of my list but.
00:54:04 Rowena Gates
Yeah.
00:54:16 Rowena Gates
I just got back from El Salvador.
00:54:18 Rowena Gates
Oh, and I really liked it. It’s because it’s not overrun at all.
00:54:22 Dr. Will Cole
Hmm.
00:54:26 Rowena Gates
I mean, I was so impressed with.
00:54:27 Dr. Will Cole
There’s a lot of new development. Is that what you mean?
00:54:29 Rowena Gates
Not so much, but I like that authenticity. Yeah, and it it. It’s just not like a cruise ship dumped, you know, 2000 people in there or something. And, you know, sometimes you get that feel.
00:54:39
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:43 Rowena Gates
In Rome, for example, and it’s like, Oh my gosh.
00:54:45 Rowena Gates
You can’t even.
00:54:46 Rowena Gates
See the stuff.
00:54:46 Dr. Will Cole
Ohh yeah, now it’s horrible.
00:54:48 Rowena Gates
And so this is that’s an area that I thought was really.
00:54:53 Rowena Gates
Kind of a little quieter and and really accessible to see beautiful things and and just kind of slide in there with the surfers basically A to visit friends that actually have the company middle likes and.
00:54:58
MHM.
00:55:02 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, very cool. What brought you there to El Salvador?
00:55:11 Rowena Gates
This is how I know them. This is the Canadian in me.
00:55:14 Rowena Gates
I met them at this reception and they said they’re they have this red light company and he’s from El Salvador and I’m like what a tech company from El Salvador. And then it’s like, I’ll help you. And so I just started doing what I could to introduce them and so on.
00:55:30 Dr. Will Cole
That’s awesome.
00:55:34 Rowena Gates
Well, it turns out the technology is really beautiful. I mean, I I I wouldn’t have done that if I didn’t already.
00:55:40 Rowena Gates
Yeah. Have the technology and and sort of appreciate it before I introduce them to people, but so they said come to El Salvador and my daughter said, well, I want to do a mother daughter trip and I’m like, OK, we’re going to El Salvador. And so yeah.
00:55:52 Dr. Will Cole
Ah.
00:55:55 Dr. Will Cole
That’s so cool. It’s special. So what part of the of the country?
00:55:59 Dr. Will Cole
Did you go to?
00:56:00 Rowena Gates
We went up in the mountains and the volcanoes that up there and did some hiking and stayed up there a few days and there’s a beautiful lake up there we we.
00:56:08 Rowena Gates
To and then close to a week, mostly at the beach and a little bit in San Salvador. But there’s many more things you could do there, like we just. But it is a small country, so you don’t feel like you’d have to go back 100 times, you.
00:56:15
Hmm.
00:56:18 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:56:23 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:56:23 Rowena Gates
Know.
00:56:25 Rowena Gates
Yeah. And then we did one day in the western part.
00:56:28 Rowena Gates
We are we, our friends arranged, you know, a car to take us to these one after the other of these towns that each is famous. One for woodworking, one for coffee, one for art, you know. And you just go into each town.
00:56:42 Dr. Will Cole
That’s special sounds a lot. Bye.
00:56:42 Rowena Gates
And that was beautiful.
00:56:45 Dr. Will Cole
Next question is, what’s the weirdest, or maybe most out-of-the-box thing you’ve done for your Wellness that you’re willing to admit on a podcast? Oh weird, I’m not that weird. Yeah, you mentioned I don’t. Let’s see.
00:57:05 Rowena Gates
Oh, I wish I could come up with something. I you should have primed me with this question. It’s probably something very weird I’ve done.
00:57:08 Dr. Will Cole
No, I like.
00:57:13 Rowena Gates
But I don’t take a lot of substances, you know, weird, wise, OK, and jumping in Lake Washington in the winter was, you know, like I thought it was a really good idea. And we walked down to the lake, which was good. But walking home almost froze. I got in a sauna.
00:57:24 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:57:28
MHM.
00:57:31 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
00:57:33 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah, right. For sure. So some cold plunging.
00:57:36 Rowena Gates
Yeah, but that was you. You don’t want to walk for 10 minutes after you cold plunge and yeah.
00:57:40 Dr. Will Cole
No, no, no, no. I’d I’d like to avoid that. Thank you. What is a book that you’ve read? It could be fiction or nonfiction. I’m getting this sort of this running.
00:57:51 Dr. Will Cole
Art of being. Well, book Club what should.
00:57:53 Rowena Gates
I add to the list. Ohh can I add to it later? Cause I never. I never pay attention.
00:57:57 Rowena Gates
To the titles of the books.
00:57:58 Dr. Will Cole
It’s OK.
00:57:59 Rowena Gates
One would be. Let’s see.
00:58:04 Rowena Gates
Ohh manners in in nonfiction India, the Covenant of Water. OK, beautiful book for nonfiction. I love for for fiction. I’m sorry for nonfiction Ben MCC.
00:58:17 Rowena Gates
Higher everything he’s read. He’s written. I love it. He is like MI 5 and MI 6 and it’s all this spy stuff that reads like a novel. But it’s truth. It’s history. Wow, it’s fascinating. And he’s got, like, 4 books. I think they’re all great.
00:58:36 Dr. Will Cole
Great tips, I love that.
00:58:37 Rowena Gates
Yeah, that those are ones. And then on health and Wellness, I don’t know. I’m well right now. I’m reading superhuman Joe Dispenser’s book.
00:58:41 Dr. Will Cole
The one that you like.
00:58:45
OK.
00:58:48 Rowena Gates
I love Jim quicks book of course, because I loved it. I appreciated the simplicity and accessibility of that book. I thought it was almost unparalleled.
00:58:50
MMM.
00:58:58 Dr. Will Cole
Hmm.
00:58:59 Rowena Gates
In that sort of the giving Ness of making it so easy for people to work from just a book.
00:59:04 Dr. Will Cole
Accessible for yeah.
00:59:06 Rowena Gates
UM.
00:59:09 Rowena Gates
I don’t know. That’s it. That’s good for now.
00:59:10 Dr. Will Cole
I love it. Yeah, this is definitely good for now. Where arena, where do people go to learn more about?
00:59:15 Dr. Will Cole
Your.
00:59:15 Dr. Will Cole
Work. How do they if they want an NV, what do they do like or? Or maybe go is there a directory to go to Wellness Center where there?
00:59:24 Rowena Gates
Is one. Yeah, we are just releasing that. The best thing to do is contact the company because not.
00:59:30 Rowena Gates
It’s an update.
00:59:32 Rowena Gates
Basically and then we have a page for you which is N3 Eng three.com/will, coleandn3.com is is our site. But on your page we’ve kind of customized it so that it probably fits a little better for your audience and.
00:59:52 Rowena Gates
We because it’s your page. We published a summary of the study results that we cannot, it’s unsearchable, but we cannot publish those on our regular website. So going to slash will. Cole is a great idea.
01:00:02 Dr. Will Cole
OK.
01:00:06 Rowena Gates
And there’s also a 3D video there that explains how the device works, or I should say shows how the device works.
01:00:12 Dr. Will Cole
The science of it. So here’s some exclusive science there on my I didn’t know you did that. So thank you. So Eng. Three.com. Ng3the#3right.com/will Cole? Yeah. OK, cool. So, guys, read this studies, watch the video.
01:00:26 Rowena Gates
Yeah. Yeah, they can. You can see everything.
01:00:27 Dr. Will Cole
Yeah.
01:00:28 Rowena Gates
There and having those just this is just a quick summary of studies, but I highly recommend people sign into that form because we don’t spam them and that way we they we actually send the studies out if they sign in whereas otherwise they can just see the data points.
01:00:47
MHM.
01:00:48 Dr. Will Cole
Page amazing. Well, we have a bunch of Health Science nerds on that. Listen to the podcast, so they will thank you. OK for that. Thanks, Sir Rowena, come back anytime. Thanks for.
01:00:57 Rowena Gates
I love it. I might just do.
01:01:00 Dr. Will Cole
And let’s have somewhere in Greece.
01:01:02 Rowena Gates
Yeah, I’ll see you. I’ll see you again.
