About Rowena Gates

This author has not yet filled in any details.
So far Rowena Gates has created 62 blog entries.

Miranda “Danger” Granger – professional MMA Fighter, UFC – just had to experience the NanoVi™ difference to become a fan.

I would 100% recommend this to anyone who does any type of strenuous activity (even if you don’t) even if you are just working at a desk job, the clarity and focus that the machine gives me was absolutely incredible and it can’t be duplicated, I have tried everything.

Miranda “Danger” Granger is a mixed martial arts fighter who utilizes the NanoVi™ to keep herself in peak condition so she can perform at her best before stepping into the octagon. We are proud to have a UFC fighter who is local to WA State and very thankful to the Athletic Training Institute and AJ for introducing Miranda to the NanoVi. We are all excited to cheer her on at her next match. She shares her experience below:

I learned about NanoVi from AJ at Athletic Training Institute. He told me it could help with recovery and keep me sharp. He thought It would be the perfect solution to help me.

I was actually pretty doubtful because I am a professional fighter and I have been fighting for five years. Every time someone says that they have the newest latest thing for recovery, it never really works for me, so I was skeptical going into it.


Miranda “Danger” Granger comes from a long line of martial arts enthusiasts, her grandfather was a boxer and her father trained in MMA. She is currently undefeated as an amateur and as a pro after facing many skilled opponents.

After I used the NanoVi, it was actually pretty crazy. I left AJ’s place and I was training later that day – and honestly for the rest of the week – I felt like I was a superhero. I felt like I had extra in my training that I didn’t have before. I could just push harder, and my endurance felt better, my cardio felt better, my energy felt better and it helped with my whole performance over the week.

Also, I slept way better. When I get home from training I usually stay up until 2 or 3 in the morning and that whole week I was doing great training sessions and I was also falling asleep way faster and sleeping really deep. I usually am a pretty light sleeper, but I was getting really good sleep.

Overall, my whole body just felt focused, so whatever I was doing, whether it was running sprints or hitting, or just taking trainer drilling, I felt like I was 100% invested in whatever I was doing. Usually it’s hard to stay on track when I am doing the same thing every single day but NanoVi really helped that.

Recently I took a UFC fight (She fought against Hannah Goldy; Miranda “Danger” Granger 6-0-0 vs. Hannah Goldy 5-0-0) at the last minute and I felt like the NanoVi device was one of the critical elements, not just to my training and my recovery, also even helping me cut weight. When I am cutting I have trouble staying focused because I’m not eating the same and usually I just feel totally depleted and run down when I cut weight. Instead, I felt really fresh, I just felt like a whole new fighter, so it really helped.

I definitely saw an improvement from not using the device to using NanoVi. I am usually not even able to really train my last week because I just feel so exhausted, I am just worried about cutting weight. Now it is a big difference, the whole last week I was still able to get full training sessions in and push through it. I felt great, I didn’t feel like I was run down or anything, so it was really good. Because I used it before my last fight, I felt better than ever. I won it and I am currently undefeated.

I would 100% recommend this to anyone who does any type of strenuous activity (even if you don’t) even if you are just working at a desk job, the clarity and focus that the machine gives me was absolutely incredible and it can’t be duplicated, I have tried everything.

Miranda shines brightly both inside and outside the ring. The Eng3 team is happy to have her as a NanoVi fan, we are certainly big fans of hers. Learn more about the NanoVi by calling us or requesting information at our contact form.

You may also be interested in:

Artificial Intelligence, Protein Folding, and the Golden Age of Human Health

NanoVi™ x Nike: The Future of Recovery at Just Do It HQ

Ben Pakulski Muscle Expert Podcast: Mitigating Oxidative Stress and Improving Recovery


Miranda “Danger” Granger beaming after winning her UFC debut bout


Enjoying a NanoVi session at Athletic Training Institute


Miranda is also the Cage Fury Fighting Women’s Strawweight Champion


All smiles with NanoVi by her side

How did skeptical UFC Fighter Miranda “Danger” Granger overcome her doubts and start using NanoVi™ to take her training and recovery to a whole new level?


Wildfires: a growing public health crisis involving oxidative stress damage caused by airborne particulates

Wildfires have been getting worse, and the trend is expected to continue. The incidences of (and total land area impacted by) wildfires have been increasing globally over the past 40 years, and fire weather conditions are expected to worsen continuously moving forward1. This sombre reality, paired with humanity’s increasing expansion into wilderness areas, has begun to overcome fire suppression capacity in many areas of the world.

At first when we think of wildfires, we think of towering flames and fast-moving brush fires, driven by a noisy wind, emitting an oily, orange glow. We look at the terrible displacement of people in the fires’ path, and the tragic loss of life that they too often leave in their destructive wake. There is, however, another mechanism by which wildfires impact the health and well-being of humans—one that is so dangerous precisely because it reaches far beyond the heat of the flames.


A firefighter rushes to put water onto a fallen tree that had recently ignited. Here, the combustive and smoke-producing potential of a single tree is demonstrated.

It comes in the form of atmospheric particulate matter emitted by the wildfire—carried off by rising heat as a cloud of smoke. A majority of these particles are very small, known as PM2.5 (Particulate Matter smaller than 2.5 μm, only 5% the diameter of a human hair), which can linger in the air for weeks and travel extremely long distances2. This allows fire emissions to impact large urban areas hundreds of miles away from their source fire, greatly increasing human exposure to damaging particulate matter.


The skyline of Seattle, Washington, on a typical day and on a day when wildfire smoke from British Colombia,
Canada filled the air with damaging particles.

Several large-scale studies have reported the serious impacts of wildfire smoke exposure on human health. It has been observed to increase overall mortality rates as well as sickness due to respiratory illnesses, especially for individuals with chronic respiratory diseases, pregnant women and their fetuses, children, and middle-aged or older adults3. Hospital admissions for patients in respiratory distress increase significantly during smoke waves—particularly for older individuals4. In fact, out of 45 studies investigating the connection between wildfire smoke and respiratory health, more than 90% found a strong and significant increase of respiratory illness upon exposure to wildfire particulates5.

The biological mechanisms of wildfire particulate damage

What about wildfire smoke causes illness? The answer is multifaceted, complex, and remains an area of active research. There is, however, much that is already known. The fact that a majority of airborne particulates emitted by wildfires are PM2.5 not only increases the longevity and range of the particles in the air, but also the damage they can do to humans when inhaled. Because they are so small, PM2.5 penetrate and work their way much deeper into the respiratory tract, where they inflame and break down the fragile lining of the lungs6. Moreover, the chemical composition of particles released from wildfires appears to be more harmful than other particles of the same size. In fact, the risk of emergency hospitalization for both respiratory and cardiovascular illnesses is more strongly associated with carbon-based PM2.5—the type most commonly emitted by wildfires2—than to any other type of equally-sized particle yet measured7.

One explanation for the particular toxicity of wildfire smoke to humans involves its ability to induce oxidative stress in our bodies. This process requires the particulate matter entering our lungs to generate reactive oxygen species (ROS) which then damage and stress our cells. Researchers have shown that small particles possess this potential to create oxidative stress, and that this potential is higher in smoke with smaller particle size and a higher abundance of carbon-based particles8—a near-perfect description of the composition of wildfire emissions. Indeed, smoke samples collected from wildfires in Southern California possess a measurable potential to create oxidative stress9, and studies in rats exposed to wood smoke have demonstrated a clear ability of fire emissions to induce oxidative stress in the lungs following inhalation10.

In moderation, oxidative stress is a highly manageable for our cells and is in fact a normal consequence of our cells’ using oxygen to make energy. ROS are even an important part of our immune system, tools which immune cells use to kill invaders such as bacteria and signal to one another11. When excessive, however, oxidative stress is highly damaging to our cells. ROS can damage our DNA—the genetic instruction manual which our cells rely on to function—and lead to the development of disease12. They also attack and unfold our proteins13, making them dysfunctional and unable to maintain the health of our cells, leading to cell impairment or cell death. Lost protein function can cause reduced performance, increased aging, and chronic diseases.

As expected, evidence consistent with oxidative stress damage following wildland smoke inhalation is present in the scientific literature. Wildland firefighters, who are exposed to extremely high levels of smoke inhalation, experience a large increase in their chance of dying from several illnesses14, both acute and chronic, linked to oxidative stress damage12,15. While the average person experiences far less exposure to wildfire smoke, these studies serve as a solemn indicator for the potential damage inherent to wildfire emissions.

Moreover, researchers have observed extreme sensitivity of lung macrophages—important cells of the immune system responsible for ‘eating’ invaders and coordinating the immune response—to wildfire smoke16,17. In such cases, oxidative stress has been identified as the major or sole contributor to the death of these important immune cells. This comes at a most inopportune time, as the inhaled smoke particles disrupt and break down the linings of the airway18 and expose the lungs to infection. Other features of dysregulated immunity have been experimentally observed, as well. Wood smoke exposure may increase allergic airway inflammation19, and infant rhesus macaque monkeys exposed to Southern California wildfires experienced several immune deficiencies later in life20.

The oxidative stress induced by wildfire smoke may also impact lung inflammation. Despite its bad reputation, inflammation is an important part of tissue and cellular repair, rushing blood and immune cells to the sites where they are needed most. This might be especially important, for example, as a way to replace dead macrophages killed by oxidative stress damage. Too much inflammation, however, can be extremely and permanently damaging to tissues—especially at delicate, mucosal surfaces like that of the lungs21. Moreover, it can block oxygen’s ability to diffuse into the bloodstream, reducing wellness and performance at the very least, and creating a potentially life-threatening condition at its worst. Inflammation, importantly, can be triggered not only by microbial invaders or physical trauma, but also by the immune system’s detection of damaged cells22. With this in mind, it is possible that wildfire PM2.5 leads to higher rates of acute respiratory illness compared to other PM2.5 because of the extra inflammation it initiates via oxidative damage to cells.

In summary, wildfire PM2.5 induces inflammation and oxidative stress in our lungs which is capable of leading to respiratory illnesses, certain deficiencies of our immune system, decreased blood oxygenation, risk of acute and chronic illnesses, and tissue damage—and these are just the health impacts that we know of.


Two members of a fire crew patrol the smouldering remains of a fast-moving brush fire. Even hours after the fire had swept through, the ground is releasing damaging smoke particles.

Our bodies’ response—enhanced by NanoVi

The most effective way to remain healthy during times of increased exposure to wildfire particulate matter is to remain indoors with a proper filtration system. Limiting contact to the damaging effects of a toxic pollutant will always be the best way of staying healthy. Everyday life often prevents this idealistic approach, however, and even the best protective systems are imperfect.

So, what can we do when exposure to wildfire smoke is unavoidable? We can help our bodies to fight back.

Fortunately, our bodies have natural mechanisms with which to combat oxidative stress. We have DNA repair proteins that help to patch up the damage caused by ROS, and enzymes designed to cope with oxidative stress in our system12. In response to damage to proteins, our cells deploy specific ‘chaperone’ proteins to help damaged proteins refold and prevent them from sticking together into harmful aggregates; our cells also ensure that irreversibly-damaged proteins are safely disposed of13. These responses are essential to returning our cells to a healthy state and saving them from damage or death.

The NanoVi device works effectively to assist and enhance this natural repair system. The device induces the increased formation of exclusion zone (EZ) water within the cell, which is believed to be an essential component of the physical process of protein folding. This video walks you through the process. The result is an increased efficiency and reliability of proper protein folding. This effect, in turn, may directly recover damaged proteins that have been unfolded due to oxidative stress. Moreover, through the same mechanism of improved protein folding, NanoVi works to enhance the speed and effectiveness of those proteins involved in DNA and protein repair. The result is increased recovery and protection against oxidative damage caused by wildfire particulates, and potential reduction of the excessive inflammation within the lungs associated with reduced blood oxygenation and a higher incidence of respiratory disease.

By enhancing our bodies’ ability to repair and restore cellular function following oxidative damage, NanoVi can be an important tool for people exposed to wildfire particulate matter. Moreover, NanoVi’s effectiveness is delivered via a simple, convenient, and non-invasive inhalation delivery system. Whether used by an individual or shared by an entire team, NanoVi can deliver its benefits within just a 30-minute application.

Contact us if you would like to learn more about NanoVi.


1. de Groot, W. J., Flannigan, M. D. & Stocks, B. J. Climate Change and Wildfires. (2013).
2. Radke, Lawrence F; Hegg, Dean A; Hobbs, Peter V; Nance, J. David; Lyons, Jamie H; Laursen, Krista K; Weiss, Raymond E; Riggan, Phillip J; Ward, D. E. Particulate and trace gas emissions from large biomass fire in North America. (1991).
3. Cascio, W. E. Wildland fire smoke and human health. Sci. Total Environ. 624, 586–595 (2018).
4. Liu, J. C. et al. Wildfire-specific Fine Particulate Matter and Risk of Hospital Admissions in Urban and Rural Counties. Epidemiology 28, 77–85 (2017).
Further References>>

5. Liu, J. C., Pereira, G., Uhl, S. A., Bravo, M. A. & Bell, M. L. A systematic review of the physical health impacts from non-occupational exposure to wildfire smoke. Environ. Res. 136, 120–132 (2015).
6. Xing, Y.-F., Xu, Y.-H., Shi, M.-H. & Lian, Y.-X. The impact of PM2.5 on the human respiratory system. J. Thorac. Dis. 8, E69–E74 (2016).
7. Peng, R. D. et al. Emergency admissions for cardiovascular and respiratory diseases and the chemical composition of fine particle air pollution. Environ. Health Perspect. 117, 957–963 (2009).
8. Cho, A. K. et al. Redox activity of airborne particulate matter at different sites in the Los Angeles Basin. Environ. Res. 99, 40–47 (2005).
9. Verma, V. et al. Physicochemical and Toxicological Profiles of Particulate Matter in Los Angeles during the October 2007 Southern California Wildfires. Environ. Sci. Technol. 43, 954–960 (2009).
10. Dubick, M. A., Carden, S. C., Jordan, B. S., Langlinais, P. C. & Mozingo, D. W. Indices of antioxidant status in rats subjected to wood smoke inhalation and/or thermal injury. Toxicology 176, 145–157 (2002).
11. Lam, G. Y., Huang, J. & Brumell, J. H. The many roles of NOX2 NADPH oxidase-derived ROS in immunity. Semin. Immunopathol. 32, 415–430 (2010).
12. Kryston, T. B., Georgiev, A. B., Pissis, P. & Georgakilas, A. G. Role of oxidative stress and DNA damage in human carcinogenesis. Mutat. Res. Mol. Mech. Mutagen. 711, 193–201 (2011).
13. Reichmann, D., Voth, W. & Jakob, U. Maintaining a Healthy Proteome during Oxidative Stress. Mol. Cell 69, 203–213 (2018).
14. Navarro, K. M. et al. Wildland firefighter smoke exposure and risk of lung cancer and cardiovascular disease mortality. Environ. Res. 173, 462–468 (2019).
15. Cervantes Gracia, K., Llanas-Cornejo, D. & Husi, H. CVD and Oxidative Stress. J. Clin. Med. 6, 22 (2017).
16. Williams, K. M., Franzi, L. M. & Last, J. A. Cell-specific oxidative stress and cytotoxicity after wildfire coarse particulate matter instillation into mouse lung. Toxicol. Appl. Pharmacol. 266, 48–55 (2013).
17. Franzi, L. M., Bratt, J. M., Williams, K. M. & Last, J. A. Why is particulate matter produced by wildfires toxic to lung macrophages? Toxicol. Appl. Pharmacol. 257, 182–188 (2011).
18. Roscioli, E. et al. Airway epithelial cells exposed to wildfire smoke extract exhibit dysregulated autophagy and barrier dysfunction consistent with COPD. Respir. Res. 19, 234 (2018).
19. Barrett, E. G., Henson, R. D., Seilkop, S. K., McDonald, J. D. & Reed, M. D. Effects of Hardwood Smoke Exposure on Allergic Airway Inflammation in Mice. Inhal. Toxicol. 18, 33–43 (2006).
20. Black, C. et al. Early Life Wildfire Smoke Exposure Is Associated with Immune Dysregulation and Lung Function Decrements in Adolescence. Am. J. Respir. Cell Mol. Biol. 56, 657–666 (2017).
21. Moldoveanu, B. et al. Inflammatory mechanisms in the lung. J. Inflamm. Res. 2, 1–11 (2009).
22. Chen, L. et al. Inflammatory responses and inflammation-associated diseases in organs. Oncotarget 9, 7204–7218 (2017).
Triathlon in smoke

Triathletes exposed to the damaging airborne particulates emitted by wildfires. Such events are often cancelled to protect the athletes.

Hollywood hills

A fire in the Hollywood Hills engulfed Los Angeles in smoke keeping many people indoors, hopefully with good filtration systems.


A Helitack (helicopter-attack) firefighter clears the drop zone after calling on the helicopter to drop water on the final surviving burn of a forest fire. For these crews, the massive amounts of smoke emitted from wildfires can block visibility between ground personnel and the helicopter, making coordination difficult.

Smoke in Sydney

The air quality in Sydney and many parts of Australia could hardly be worse. Related oxidative stress damage is so high that unfiltered air unsafe.

Controlled Burn

A controlled burn is used to reduce the fuel load. Many controlled burns are started for land management reasons, of course the smoke is just as damaging as a wildland fire.

Wildfire Smoke Exposure and NanoVi: An Issue of Combating Oxidative Stress Damage


Simply put, the Sports Biometrics Conference is the #1 place to learn the best technologies and techniques sports science has to offer

Elite athletes and teams are out there to win. Although they are the ones we see on camera, top performance is rarely achieved without specialists in the background. Optimizing performance is multi-faceted so it often takes a whole team of experts. The Sports Biometrics Conference is the perfect place for these experts to gather and improve their game.

Sports Biometrics Conference

The conference is designed for coaches, trainers, sports scientists, analysts, and exercise physiologists who are brought together with technologies that help improve recovery and performance. This is where NanoVi fits in – and it is a perfect meeting for demonstrating NanoVi because accelerating recovery and improving mental and physical performance are top priorities for this group. Other technologies that will be represented are complementary to NanoVi. Great examples are PEMF technology and Neurofeedback, both are often used in conjunction with NanoVi for even better outcomes.

Speakers present a wide range of topics. Performance improvement, conditioning and reconditioning, accelerating recovery, improving mental performance and other topics are covered. Top athletes use NanoVi for every one of these purposes, so we are excited to introduce the device in this forum.

Sports Biometrics Conference, Bill Knowles, Aaron Coutts, Lindsay Shaw, Keith Smithson

The Sports Biometrics conference brings world-renowned specialists together, including speakers Bill Knowles, Aaron Coutts, Lindsay Shaw, Keith Smithson and many others

Based on the conference name, it is no surprise that athlete monitoring will get lots of attention. Biometrics, like HRV, blood markers, and performance metrics are great ways to show the impact of NanoVi.

The Sports Biometrics Conference is attended by top sports scientists, trainers, and coaches. These specialists leave the conference with new insights, techniques, and technologies that help their elite athletes win. Any athlete is fortunate to have this kind of talent working for them from behind the scenes.

You may also be interested in:

Can we thank Matthew Boyd, Shane Greene, John Shoffner and Janine Hill enough?

Why does a NanoVi™ Endorsement from Endurance Athlete Andrei Rosu Mean so Much?

NanoVi™ x Nike: The Future of Recovery at Just Do It HQ

Ben Pakulski Muscle Expert Podcast: Mitigating Oxidative Stress and Improving Recovery

Sports Biometrics Conference, Westin Hotel, San Francisco

The Sports Biometrics Conference is held at the Westin San Francisco Airport Hotel.

Why do elite sports performance specialists want to be sure to attend the Sports Biometrics Conference?


Luc Montagnier, Gerald Pollack, and Hans Eng are all attending the Water Conference 2019.

Water Conference 2019 on the Physics, Chemistry, and Biology of Water is being held in Bad Soden, Germany. For years this conference has focused only on and drawn researchers and water enthusiasts from many disciplines. Italian researcher Roberto Germano explains it as follows:

“It is difficult to find an interdisciplinary conference that is so well organized, so open minded, so deep in every particular field: chemistry, biology, physics. I think it is very, very important.”

Roberto Germano is one of three presenters who are conducting research on the NanoVi™ device. His lab has verified the output of the device including the ordered water in the humidified airstream. He and his team have conducted numerous tests to evaluate the impact of NanoVi, which makes a measurable difference to the water.

Olga Yablonskaya and Vladimir Voeikov head a team that is doing ongoing research, studying how NanoVi influences the nature of water, damaged proteins (in vitro) and its impact on humans. At Water Conference 2019, Olga Yablonskaya presented results that used impedance spectroscopy, pH measurements, and dry droplets microscopy to evaluate the impact of NanoVi. All three types of testing showed that NanoVi has a significant impact. pH testing showed that the impact of NanoVi was distinguishable for as long as two days after treatment.

After getting excited about the science, Water Conference attendees are able to try the NanoVi device. Eng3’s German distribution partner, Biosa, is an event sponsor with NanoVi devices available for demonstration. Hans Eng is also on hand for more detailed conversations about NanoVi technology. The organizes of Water Conference 2019 invited Hans to chair sessions which kept him busy most of Sunday.

The Water Conference is an ideal meeting for advancing NanoVi technology. Researchers representing institutes and universities from all parts of the globe are in attendance and eager to advance water science. Previous Water Conferences lead to the NanoVi research that is currently coming to fruition and additional collaboration helps move NanoVi technology even farther ahead. All attendees are grateful to Gerald Pollack for starting the conference and making it thrive. Eng3 is especially thankful to have Dr. Pollack as a local Seattle resource for the water science behind NanoVi. If you are intrigued by water science (and NanoVi), Dr. Pollack’s article “On vapor, physics, biology, and health: the underlying science – NanoVi™” may be of interest to you. If you would like the article you can sign up at our contact page and in the comment box put “article request”.

Water Conference 2019

Water Conference 2019 is the fourteenth annual Water Conference

Water Conference 2019, Hans Eng

Hans Eng speaking at Water Conference 2019

Water Conference 2019, Olga Yablonskaya

Olga Yablonskaya presenting her findings on the NanoVi™ at Water Conference 2019

Water Conference 2019: What do a Nobel Laureate, biohacking’s favorite scientist, and Eng3’s CEO all have in common?


NanoVi is great for cellular detox as Dr. Pompa explores with Rowena Gates in the latest episode of his Cellular Healing TV podcast.

This week Rowena Gates is interviewed for the 289th episode of Dr. Daniel Pompa’s Cellular Healing TV podcast. Rowena and Dr. Pompa discuss the role of cellular water in protein folding and function, the importance of protein function for cellular health, and the ways that NanoVi™ supports these cellular processes. Enjoy this episode of Cellular Healing TV.

Podcast Transcript>>

Dr. Pompa:
This episode of Cell TV—this is not a microphone. This is bringing ordered water or EZ water, AKA exclusion zone water, right into every cell in my body within nanoseconds. All right, this is a bio-hack you have to see because this affects all the five R’s. I’m telling you. We talk about some of the pro athletes who are using this technology to recover faster, age slower, not get injured, and we talk about a lot of different health conditions where they’re studying this technology. Look, many of you have heard about different waters, whether it’s structured water, ordered water, and now we’re talking about the fourth phase, literally. There’s four phases of water now.

Of course, we know ice. We know steam and regular water. This phase of water is what your cells order. It has everything to do with how you feel and every aspect of health. This is where you fold proteins, which is who you are. Look, this is a great show. Gerald Pollack and other scientists have really talked and make popular the fourth phase of water. On this show, we’re going to dig deep. I’m going to show you this device, and why I believe that this should be part of your healing. All right, I’ll see you on the show.

Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m Ashley Smith. Today our guest is someone who I’ll never forget when you met her, Dr. Pompa. You were speaking at the Bulletproof Conference, and we walked to the vendor area. You immediately fell in love with this amazing device. It’s called a NanoVi and it’s used to promote health, wellness, and performance by initiating cellular repair by supporting protein function for cellular detox. I know you have been loving this device and using it regularly ever since, now more than ever. Rowena Gates is a principal at Eng3 Corporation, the company behind this technology.

We just knew we had to get this brilliant woman on the show. She’s here to talk about the role of cellular water and protein folding. She’ll explain the technology and how it affects the body. I’ll let you two take it from here. This is going to be a fascinating discussion. Let’s welcome Rowena Gates and of course, Dr. Pompa. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, Rowena, thank you for being on the show. Gosh, I love this topic. Folks, I can’t wait for you to hear this information. This is a topic that I—we are not going to lose you in the science. I promise you that, I do. If anything I’m really good at, it’s taking the really complicated science and making it understandable. I really want you all to understand this technology because this is groundbreaking. I’m blessed that we’re one of the first people to really bring this technology to you. Many of you can access this. I’ll have to say—you’re going to hear on this episode a story of why this technology is even more important than ever. You’re going to hear that story for sure. by the way, that’s what this is in front of me.

This isn’t a microphone. It’s this device called the NanoVi. I absolutely fell in love with this technology. Rowena, Let’s start with—there’s something—Gerald Pollack—so many of our listeners have heard of him at least. As soon as I bring up structured water or the fourth phase of water—of course, we know there’s ice. There’s vapor. There’s water in its regular form. There’s a fourth phase of water that Pollack and others have proven now, that is in the cell, this EZ water, exclusion zone water, where your cells fold proteins in this area where this water is. We found out that this water’s so critical because proteins, 900 some thousand proteins our cells have, and that is us. That’s who we are.

If you have good proteins, you’re healthy. If you have bad ones, you’re unhealthy, simply put. If you have good and lots of this exclusion zone EZ water, you’re healthy. You fold great proteins and make great hormones, every part of your body. If you don’t, not good. This technology has been talked about. Let’s bring people back into the science into this fourth phase of water. By the way, even Pollack himself says, look, this machine is really the best way to really take advantage of this fourth phase of water. They tested it—I think the University of Washington. I’m not sure. I’ve read lots—I read so many studies on this that I get lost. You can bring clarity.

This may seem woo-hoo that I’m breathing some water vapors right now. In bringing this fourth phase of water into my cells, that seems a little bit esoteric, but it’s not. The science is all over this. What is this EZ water? What am I talking about, the fourth phase of water? Let’s start there.

Okay, so first of all, I can assure you, I won’t go deeply into the science. I’m not a scientist, so I’m the perfect person to explain it in a more general sense.

Dr. Pompa:
Let’s clarify that. Your husband—German descent, correct—he’s the one that developed this technology—brilliant man. You can tell a little bit about him and his background. He deserves that.

Absolutely. This is really—the mover behind this technology is Hans Eng, thus the name of [06:09] company. He leveraged work of people like Gerald Pollack, also other people doing water science, and then areas of biology and biophysics. Our knowledge from the scientific community suggested that it would be possible to create a device that could augment what the body does naturally. What is does naturally is create this cellular water that, as you mentioned, can be called EZ water or ordered water. We tend to stay away from the term structured water because it’s a huge umbrella, and it includes things that are not what we’re doing at the cellular level.

One key aspect of this is that the water in your cells is nothing like a glass of water. It has this fourth phase or this different structure of where the water molecules are more closely packed together. It’s acting more like a gel than like a liquid, to some extent. The proteins in the body rely on that cellular water in order to fold, and they must fold in order to function. All protein activity needs the water they’re immersed in. The proteins do all the work in the body. Everything that gets done gets done by proteins, including detoxification and cleaning. What we do is, we have a way to augment the ordered water in the cells because the proteins rely on that water in order to fold.

We can increase ordered water in the cells. The protein uses that to fold, and then there needs to be more ordered water in the cells. Your body does that all the time naturally. We just augment the process so that the proteins can ultimately fold more readily than if they weren’t supported by the NanoVi device.

Dr. Pompa:
Okay, so the value is, these proteins have to fold in this water, and then that creates health. It creates function, detox, everything we’re talking about, hormone health, everything. All right, what the heck is folded protein? We lost people there, perhaps. When you read the literature of the folding of proteins, folding protein—okay, what is that to the average person watching this? We have doctors watching this that need it explained, too because we forget.

The protein folding’s interesting because it’s gotten a lot of interest lately. Google Mind studied it with alpha fold, which is a big competition with protein folding at the center of it. We’ll see more and more about protein folding. Essentially, the proteins are just a chain of amino acids, which all the doctors know. It’s just a long string of amino acids that needs to fold into a very complicated three-dimensional structure in order to do its job. That process of going from the chain of amino acid into the folded shape that’s effective is called protein folding. That’s what allows it to function. The protein cannot function without this 3-D structure and going through the folding process.

If things go awry and there’s damage and misfolding, that leads to disease states, including things like Alzheimer’s, ALS, which are considered directly related as is Parkinson’s, generally. Really, those diseases are the result of things having gone off the rails. In other words, they could be—the misfold of proteins can be the result of things that have gone wrong, not the cause of the disease itself.

Dr. Pompa:
Some of these scientists have done work showing that if we can increase the cellular water, the water that we’re talking about here, this EZ water, then we can increase the number of folded proteins. Incomplete folded proteins, damaged proteins from toxicity, stressors of any type, create a lot of problems in the body, incomplete healing. You just mentioned many different disease, neurodegenerative diseases, what we know these incomplete folded proteins play a role in. Increasing this water in the cell, then, studies are showing has a very repair, recovery factor in the body.

Absolutely, absolutely. Just helping keep that functioning correctly—the oxidative stress and free radical damage is constantly damaging proteins and the mitochondria, cell membranes, and so on. Anything that gets repaired is going to be repaired by the proteins.

Dr. Pompa:
Sometimes we can look at extremes, whether it’s people with diseases, or we can look at the other extreme, athletes. Athletes have so much oxidative stress, especially endurance athletes. That impairs their recovery, which impairs their performance. I read a study on this early on when I was investigating in. You can quote me if I’m wrong on the number. It’s been a while, but 25 percent less lactic acid build up. Their recovery was dramatically better, maybe 18 percent., maybe I flip-flopped the numbers. The bottom line is, their recovery was dramatically better. when they analyzed lactic—everything when they analyze recovery, dramatic—I believe 25 minutes a day is all they did in that study, breathing this water—pretty impressive.

Yes, that’s correct. That’s correct. They also showed the DNA damage for athletes, which was dramatically reduced. Yeah, it’s very important for athletes, both in terms of their ability to recover quickly and therefore perform better, and their ability to stay healthy long-term, especially important for endurance athletes.

Dr. Pompa:
Then likewise, you get someone who’s toxic, not feeling well, just like the athlete, they have a lot of oxidative stress in their cell, not by exercise, just by toxic stress and other stressors. It’s damaging their DNA. That’s what you said. One of the studies showed it protected and made better DNA. Obviously, when you make energy, you make reactive oxygen species, something we call ROS, which damages protein or causes these folds not to happen. This is imperative for recovery, just from an illness or exercise because of that.

Yeah, absolutely. The mitochondria, the free radical damage, is exhausted out of creating energy and mitochondria. Cleaning out that damage is huge for athletes for energy levels, but for individuals as well. As you pointed out in other presentations, that mitochondrial function is a really important aspect of—it’s one of your R’s for recovery.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it is. This is such an important aspect within the cell for detox, just to feel good, feel normal, every aspect of hormonal performance in the body. Really, that’s why it is one of my R’s. This, to me, is an amazing bio-hack around something that’s very difficult clinically. I can speak clinically now. I train many doctors that we struggle with, and that’s raising the cellular energy. Some of the studies show that when you bring in this exclusion-zone water, this EZ water, you can increase the ATP, protect the DNA, and all these amazing cellular functions increase as well.

Yes, that’s so important. While we’re on your R’s, another one that’s so related to that is inflammation. Whether proteins are turned off or on, anti-inflammatory cytokines are either pro-inflammatory or anti-inflammatory. That balance is a tricky one. If you’re too strong